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Old 01-25-2017, 12:34 PM
 
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Blame the miners, Or the state of Colorado, for not cleaning it up.

not the epa. The epa is the last line of defense. They didnt create that hazardous material.
Soooooo, why don't we just abolish the EPA if it was the miners and the states responsibility, soley?

The EPA is the huge, federal government run, tax funded organization created and authorized to deal with these issues.
They went in without a plan or preparation and released a previously contained pollution threat.

The EPA did the same thing again, later:
EPA spills again in Colorado | Washington Examiner
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EPA spills again in Colorado
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Old 01-25-2017, 12:38 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Soooooo, why don't we just abolish the EPA if it was the miners and the states responsibility, soley?

The EPA is the huge, federal government run, tax funded organization created and authorized to deal with these issues.
They went in without a plan or preparation and released a previously contained pollution threat.

The EPA did the same thing again, later:
EPA spills again in Colorado | Washington Examiner
Excuse me but their hired contractor (that privatization Trump is fond of) went in and made a mistake. Or perhaps the mining company left it in such poor shape it was unavoidable. It wasn't contained it was in danger of leaking out at any given time. That's why there was someone there investigating how to properly clean it up. But you're proposing to allow mining companies to regulate themselves? That's how that situation began in the first place. There wasn't anyone stopping them from creating a buildup of toxic materials.
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Old 01-25-2017, 12:40 PM
 
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So according to your conspiracy theory. Trump would have no issue of even poisioning his own family and himself to make money.
The Love Canal wasn't developed for high-income housing.

We don't have to wait and see - we tried letting industry self-regulate. Its been done, and it failed.

Do you know what a Superfund site is?
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Old 01-25-2017, 12:42 PM
 
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Soooooo, why don't we just abolish the EPA if it was the miners and the states responsibility, soley?
Because the miners did what private industry does - created the mess, grabbed the money and left. There's no profit in cleaning up.
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Old 01-25-2017, 12:45 PM
 
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I have no problem with common sense good environmental regulations. Its when they start issuing ridiculous and insane regulations.
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And suspending the EPA's social media activity accomplishes this ... how?
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I guess we will find out eventually if it does or not.
Do you have to wait to be told the answer?!

This is your thread. What do you think suspending communication accomplishes ?
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Old 01-25-2017, 12:48 PM
 
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Excuse me but their hired contractor (that privatization Trump is fond of) went in and made a mistake.
Yes. An agent of the EPA caused the spill.
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Or perhaps the mining company left it in such poor shape it was unavoidable..
Perhap's, maybe's, if's, and's , or but's are not legitimate debate or arguments.
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It wasn't contained it was in danger of leaking out at any given time. That's why there was someone there investigating how to properly clean it up.
And yet, by definition and in reality, it was contained.
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But you're proposing to allow mining companies to regulate themselves? That's how that situation began in the first place. There wasn't anyone stopping them from creating a buildup of toxic materials.
I don't recall suggesting that. You suggested blaming them for a spill that the EPA caused, though.
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Old 01-25-2017, 12:49 PM
 
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Because the miners did what private industry does - created the mess, grabbed the money and left. There's no profit in cleaning up.
That is not a reply to my question.
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Old 01-25-2017, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Yes i know the epa did such great job especially when they polluted the colorado river...
The EPA knew about the lead in the water for almost a year in Flint Michigan but said it was none of their business and wanted the locals to report it.

EPA Knew About Flint, Michigan Water Problem Last April | The Daily Caller
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Old 01-25-2017, 12:55 PM
 
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Just for the perspective: closing social media access doesn't mean anything, YET. The regulations and environmental laws are in place. Altering and changing them requires more effort, including congress involvement.
What upsets me though, is the insane rush for taking action without proper thought. It's more a kind of children play: "let's teach those liberals a lesson", than serious governing.
As an aside: it took teams of experts years to draft interantional trade agreements. You can't nix them in a second without appropriate preparation, even if they need change.
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Old 01-25-2017, 12:57 PM
 
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That is not a reply to my question.
Actually, it is. We do not abolish the EPA, because without an agency to twist the miners' arms, they will abandon their mining sites as dangerous, poisonous hellscapes.
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