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Actually, it is. We do not abolish the EPA, because without an agency to twist the miners' arms, they will abandon their mining sites as dangerous, poisonous hellscapes.
No sir, it is not. It is the literally definition of not answering. I am supposing that is because you did not understand the question.
Let's look again:
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Originally Posted by le roi
Blame the miners, Or the state of Colorado, for not cleaning it up.not the epa.
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Originally Posted by Jimbo302
Soooooo, why don't we just abolish the EPA if it was the miners and the states responsibility, soley?
The EPA is the huge, federal government run, tax funded organization created and authorized to deal with these issues.
They went in without a plan or preparation and released a previously contained pollution threat.
Because the miners did what private industry does - created the mess, grabbed the money and left. There's no profit in cleaning up.
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If we want to make cleanup the responsibility of the state and the miners, then do that. Otherwise the EPA needs to be held accountable to more than an "oops".
"Without an agency to twist the miners arms".
What do you mean without an agency?
Do we not have the US justice system at state and federal levels? Do we not have law enforcement to protect and enforce those laws at the point of a gun, at both multiple state and federal levels?
No sir, it is not. It is the literally definition of not answering. I am supposing that is because you did not understand the question.
Correct, I do not understand the question.
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If we want to make cleanup the responsibility of the state and the miners, then do that.
Who checks their work? Who has the expertise to define what is safe and unsafe practices? And who follows up when they fall down on the job, as invariably happens in a non-trivial number of cases?
The miners have every incentive not to do anything. State governments are quite easy to buy, we both know that. 1300+ Superfund sites providees ample evidence.
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Do we not have the US justice system at state and federal levels? Do we not have law enforcement to protect and enforce those laws at the point of a gun, at both multiple state and federal levels?
They do not possess the knowledge for prevention efforts. Sure, they can litigate after the damage is done, for what good that does anyone.
Not that the EPA has a 100% success rate, but they're a damn sight better than nothing.
Hell yeah!! Get rid of the EPA. Clean air and water is over rated.
Do you really think that folks who want to eliminate the bungling, inefficient and unaccountable bureaucracy known as the EPA, don't want clean water and air? I'd say it's on the contrary.
Do you really think that folks who want to eliminate the bungling, inefficient and unaccountable bureaucracy known as the EPA, don't want clean water and air? I'd say it's on the contrary.
Since Trump's EPA pick is in bed with the polluters I'd have to say no, they don't care, they think they'll never have to deal with in their backyard.
Soooooo, why don't we just abolish the EPA if it was the miners and the states responsibility, soley?
Because mining companies don't care. They are totally irresponsible.
And states will compete to see who can have the worst possible environmental regs. They can't be trusted like the feds. They also can't be trusted to manage the air and water pollutants that cross state lines.
State-level environmental regulation has been a total failure, which is why we have the EPA to begin with. The EPA, by contrast, has been extremely successful.
Do we not have the US justice system at state and federal levels? Do we not have law enforcement to protect and enforce those laws at the point of a gun, at both multiple state and federal levels?
The U.S. justice system does not prevent environmental issues. That is not its function. Waiting for people to pollute and then suing is inadequate as a remedy and almost useless as a deterrent.
Mining firms declare bankruptcy. The judge can't do anything, and the legislature is too incompetent to prevent such shrirking of shareholder responsibility.
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