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so on one side we have the oil industry, steel industry, mining industry, logging industry , coal industry, chemical industry, paper industry, etc, etc., making tons of profits and pouring that money into lobbying, so they can dump hazardous chemicals into streams and rivers, or emit them into the air. In your world those are the "good guys."
and on the other side we have an underfunded federal agency that sets rules that protect the general public. In your world those are the "bad guys"
Makes sense.
So you think the EPA was being objective until now? If Trump can dismantle it so quickly, it just proves once again that these agencies serve their masters. And again how does exporting pollution to China help from the global perspective?
So you think the EPA was being objective until now?
who said 'objective' ? i said 'effective'
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If Trump can dismantle it so quickly, it just proves once again that these agencies serve their masters.
i have no idea what this is supposed to mean. On the surface it sounds really, really stupid, like you don't even know the basics of American government. i'm pretty sure you aren't stupid so I'm going to leave it to you to develop this point.
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And again how does exporting pollution to China help from the global perspective?
It doesn't. The EPA isn't the reason we trade with China. the EPA isn't the reason we can't get China to sign a global warming treaty.
Regardless not all pollution is global in impact. Some of this stuff the EPA regulates is local/regional air, soil, and water.
"The Trump administration has instituted a media blackout at the Environmental Protection Agency and barred staff from awarding any new contracts or grants.
Emails sent to EPA staff since President Donald Trump's inauguration on Friday and reviewed by The Associated Press detailed the specific prohibitions banning press releases, blog updates or posts to the agency's social media accounts."
Who checks their work? Who has the expertise to define what is safe and unsafe practices? And who follows up when they fall down on the job, as invariably happens in a non-trivial number of cases?
The miners have every incentive not to do anything. State governments are quite easy to buy, we both know that. 1300+ Superfund sites providees ample evidence.
Exactly, if we decide the EPA is a necessity, then we cannot put the blamw soley on the state and miners.
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They do not possess the knowledge for prevention efforts. Sure, they can litigate after the damage is done, for what good that does anyone.
Not that the EPA has a 100% success rate, but they're a damn sight better than nothing.
Yes, if we agree that a government over site agency is necessary for this, then we must be able to hold them accountable.
I believe we are on the same page.
My argument is that the EPA is not a charity organization doing altruistic favors. They are a governmental agency at the federal level entrusted and assigned to do a job.
They don't get a pass on that job when it is done incorrectly or even poorly.
Because mining companies don't care. They are totally irresponsible.
And states will compete to see who can have the worst possible environmental regs. They can't be trusted like the feds. They also can't be trusted to manage the air and water pollutants that cross state lines.
State-level environmental regulation has been a total failure, which is why we have the EPA to begin with. The EPA, by contrast, has been extremely successful.
I was not suggesting it. It was a devil's advocate position.
Although I will admit, I winced when I read that you considered the feds trustworthy, lol.
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