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Very true. How we are raised, our upbringing makes all the difference, along with a few other important attributes like health, but you can't legislate better families, better fathers and mothers...
How do you address the number of kids being raised in environments that set them up to fail? Parents not worth a damn if there are any parents at all, drug problems, crime, no positive influences, too much idle time on the streets, exposure to gangs. My white kids had NONE of these issues as they attended a high school in a safe affluent area ranked a 10 in terms of quality education and percentage of graduates who went on to college (98%).
Damn if I know for sure how to fix these sorts of disparities, but sure seems to me that access to affordable quality education is as good a start as any, also childcare, health care, safer neighborhoods...
If you really believe that, then one has to wonder why you support a Democratic Party that is so dead-set on protecting mediocre public schools that consistently underperform, and denying parents the option of school-choice through vouchers and other options?
I would also ask this question of residinghere2007 who insists that good education is of paramount concern to black families?
I just think that in order to have a better discourse about this topic, talking down to anyone won't work. I do agree that certain comments have not helped. I just have a few question for those persons who make such comments. What is the point of making comments like "free stuff", "plantation", and "they're not used to working"? What do said persons hope to get out of it?
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I share your difficulty in understanding this. Take as a prime example, Ben Carson. Regardless of what you think of his personal politics, this man serves as an outstanding role model. He grew up with modest means in Detroit in a broken home and attended public schools. He had the same story that so many black kids today have, yet he went on to graduate from both Michigan and Yale University, and his accomplishments include:
* Becoming the youngest chief of pediatric neurosurgery in the country at age 33
* Was the Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins where he become a pioneer in the field
* performed the only successful separation of conjoined twins joined at the back of the head
* pioneered the first successful neurosurgical procedure on a fetus inside the womb
* performed the first completely successful separation of type-2 vertical craniopagus twins
* developed new methods to treat brain-stem tumors
* written over 100 neurosurgical publications
By any rational person's measure, this man is a pure genius, and the epitome of an American success story. Someone who didn't know any better may assume that this man would be regarded as a hero in the black community, and if he were a Liberal, I have no doubt that he would be hailed as a rock star! But because he doesn't think the "right" way according to black and white liberals, he is reduced to an "Uncle Tom" or a "token" or, as one talking head put it on CNN, a "mediocre negro".
I watched the midseason premier of "Black-ish" on ABC a few weeks back where they did an election episode. I assume this sitcom is directed toward a black demographic and is meant to depict a black perspective on issues. When the main character, played by Anthony Anderson, addressed the possibility of voting for Ben Carson, his response was "Oh no. is he even black?"......
Tokens are not so because of their own view, but because of how others view them.
A token is someone you hold up as an example when they agree with you, but act like they have never existed when they disagree. Tim Scott is a great example of this when it comes to police. Ben Carson is on a lot of issues, but having run for President, he is now more or less, just a prominent conservative.
As for the part about him being a hero to the black community, that isnt the problem it is that you do the very same thing you accuse the left of doing in the bold. You guys have a perception of black people and only the "right" ones are held up with high esteem.
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If you really believe that, then one has to wonder why you support a Democratic Party that is so dead-set on protecting mediocre public schools that consistently underperform, and denying parents the option of school-choice through vouchers and other options?
I would also ask this question of residinghere2007 who insists that good education is of paramount concern to black families?
The vouchers you support are per capita , that means the person using it gets an average and that money is taken from the school system or specific school they are leaving.
The reason that doesnt work is because each student isnt equal.
If you are a poor but active student. You are a much larger portion of the pie than a kid who is well off and isnt.
For example
Student A
Rides Bus to school
Eats school lunch
Uses the School library/ computers
Takes AP and College prep classes
Plays football and soccer
Is a member of multiple after school programs
Student B
has his own car and drives to school
Eats lunch off campus
Has home computer
Takes normal classes
Plays no sports
is part of no clubs
Student A and B are equal when it comes to vouchers even though student A costs way more to educate; but only Student B has the means to take advantage of the voucher and he will take an average of the district, not how much he is worth.
The vouchers you support are per capita , that means the person using it gets an average and that money is taken from the school system or specific school they are leaving.
The reason that doesnt work is because each student isnt equal.
If you are a poor but active student. You are a much larger portion of the pie than a kid who is well off and isnt.
For example
Student A
Rides Bus to school
Eats school lunch
Uses the School library/ computers
Takes AP and College prep classes
Plays football and soccer
Is a member of multiple after school programs
Student B
has his own car and drives to school
Eats lunch off campus
Has home computer
Takes normal classes
Plays no sports
is part of no clubs
Student A and B are equal when it comes to vouchers even though student A costs way more to educate; but only Student B has the means to take advantage of the voucher and he will take an average of the district, not how much he is worth.
Why would only student B be able to take advantage of the voucher?
Tokens are not so because of their own view, but because of how others view them.
A token is someone you hold up as an example when they agree with you, but act like they have never existed when they disagree. Tim Scott is a great example of this when it comes to police. Ben Carson is on a lot of issues, but having run for President, he is now more or less, just a prominent conservative.
As for the part about him being a hero to the black community, that isnt the problem it is that you do the very same thing you accuse the left of doing in the bold. You guys have a perception of black people and only the "right" ones are held up with high esteem.
That isn't true. Take for example President Obama. I don't agree with virtually any of his policies, but the man is definitely accomplished, respectable, dignified, and should absolutely be held in high regard and serve as an example for black kids, and all kids, really.
I share your difficulty in understanding this. Take as a prime example, Ben Carson. Regardless of what you think of his personal politics, this man serves as an outstanding role model. He grew up with modest means in Detroit in a broken home and attended public schools. He had the same story that so many black kids today have, yet he went on to graduate from both Michigan and Yale University, and his accomplishments include:
* Becoming the youngest chief of pediatric neurosurgery in the country at age 33
* Was the Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins where he become a pioneer in the field
* performed the only successful separation of conjoined twins joined at the back of the head
* pioneered the first successful neurosurgical procedure on a fetus inside the womb
* performed the first completely successful separation of type-2 vertical craniopagus twins
* developed new methods to treat brain-stem tumors
* written over 100 neurosurgical publications
By any rational person's measure, this man is a pure genius, and the epitome of an American success story. Someone who didn't know any better may assume that this man would be regarded as a hero in the black community, and if he were a Liberal, I have no doubt that he would be hailed as a rock star! But because he doesn't think the "right" way according to black and white liberals, he is reduced to an "Uncle Tom" or a "token" or, as one talking head put it on CNN, a "mediocre negro".
I watched the midseason premier of "Black-ish" on ABC a few weeks back where they did an election episode. I assume this sitcom is directed toward a black demographic and is meant to depict a black perspective on issues. When the main character, played by Anthony Anderson, addressed the possibility of voting for Ben Carson, his response was "Oh no. is he even black?"......
So black folks are obligated to look up to Dr. Carson....because he's black and successful?
But we're criticized for voting for Obama....who is also black and successful?
I just think that in order to have a better discourse about this topic, talking down to anyone won't work. I do agree that certain comments have not helped. I just have a few question for those persons who make such comments. What is the point of making comments like "free stuff", "plantation", and "they're not used to working"? What do said persons hope to get out of it?
People who make such comments have no depth of thought. They make these comments because they can't comprehend an explanation any more nuanced than that, not just on this issue but on all issues.
But there's also a danger in assuming that any white person who asks these type of questions aren't really seeking an answer.
Republicans can't do anything to win us over at this point. The Republican brand is synonymous with being anti black at this point.
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