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Old 01-26-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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The problem still remains the same....the cost of health care is ridiculous. It doesn't matter how you pay for it, it is going to be expensive. The only way that socialized medicine works is with government involvement in healthcare itself. Putting multiple profit based systems together (insurance, healthcare, pharmaceuticals, etc.) does little or nothing to address the root of the problem. The bottom line is that it will never be affordable because we live in a capitalist society. That isn't slamming capitalism; it's just reality. ACA was the best of intentions in an unwinnable situation resulting in a horrible plan. I will never understand how people believe that the idea that some should have to pay more for the same benefits as others could be fair or even American. It's simply not a fair system because it can't be unless there is a fixed rate which would require cost control which would mean that many of the companies would move to other industries because they are driven by profit. Like it or not healthcare is not a right, it is a service....at least in this country. Putting the burden on others to make up the difference on a system that is not suited for this type of system is just stupid.


No country can have it all, and the one thing that seems to be certain that way may never have is affordable healthcare. Eat well and exercise folks.
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Old 01-26-2017, 01:38 PM
 
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Rand Paul's plan is really bad... He definitely is no Ron Paul...
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Old 01-26-2017, 01:39 PM
 
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I like Rand.....what I've read is not the solution. Granted, all I've read is brief over views and I will withhold final judgement but I don't support what I've seen so far.

P.S. despite the claims of some, Canada is a Capitalist country as being defined here also.
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Old 01-26-2017, 01:53 PM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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So the working poor (vs the incapacitated or couch potato poor who have medicaid) should go die?

Canada is Marxist.
At least according to some peoples definitions here.
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Old 01-26-2017, 02:00 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Some things shouldn't be left to the for-profit corporations and I'm come to the conclusion after several years that healthcare is one such thing. We'll still be a very much capitalistic society with national healthcare. A healthier population is a better workforce anyways.
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Old 01-26-2017, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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I will never understand how people believe that the idea that some should have to pay more for the same benefits as others could be fair or even American.
That is how Medicare works. That is how our government works through our progressive tax system - those who make more have a higher tax rate since they can better afford it.

If we have a single-payer system that is partly funded by income tax revenue, it looks just like any other government service we get. Bernie Sanders estimated that someone making $50k per year would pay about 2% more in taxes plus the Medicare premium of about $250/month, for a total of less than $300/month. Someone making 100k a year would pay 3% more in taxes. In either case the total cost for health insurance is way less than most people are paying under ACA. It seems fair to me.
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Old 01-26-2017, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Texas
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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/r...175250810.html


The problem still remains the same....the cost of health care is ridiculous. It doesn't matter how you pay for it, it is going to be expensive. The only way that socialized medicine works is with government involvement in healthcare itself. Putting multiple profit based systems together (insurance, healthcare, pharmaceuticals, etc.) does little or nothing to address the root of the problem. The bottom line is that it will never be affordable because we live in a capitalist society. That isn't slamming capitalism; it's just reality. ACA was the best of intentions in an unwinnable situation resulting in a horrible plan. I will never understand how people believe that the idea that some should have to pay more for the same benefits as others could be fair or even American. It's simply not a fair system because it can't be unless there is a fixed rate which would require cost control which would mean that many of the companies would move to other industries because they are driven by profit. Like it or not healthcare is not a right, it is a service....at least in this country. Putting the burden on others to make up the difference on a system that is not suited for this type of system is just stupid.


No country can have it all, and the one thing that seems to be certain that way may never have is affordable healthcare. Eat well and exercise folks.
When you take price out of the equation you also take quality out. Price is no longer a factor in ones decision. When government says all it will pay is 100 there is no incentive to charge 90. Get government, big pharm, out of the equation for the most part, and prices will go down.
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Old 01-26-2017, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So the working poor (vs the incapacitated or couch potato poor who have medicaid) should go die?
Why would you think that?
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Old 01-26-2017, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I like Rand.....what I've read is not the solution. Granted, all I've read is brief over views and I will withhold final judgement but I don't support what I've seen so far.

P.S. despite the claims of some, Canada is a Capitalist country as being defined here also.
https://www.paul.senate.gov/imo/medi...ctSections.pdf

https://www.paul.senate.gov/news/pre...eplacement-act



Dr. Rand Paul’s Obamacare Replacement Act, S. 222:
Legalizes Inexpensive Insurance Plans:
  • Ensures that Americans can purchase the health insurance coverage that best fits their needs.
  • Eliminates Obamacare’s essential health benefits requirement, along with other restrictive coverage and plan requirements, to once again make low-cost insurance options available to American consumers.
Protects Individuals with Pre-Existing Conditions:
  • Provides a two-year open-enrollment period under which individuals with pre-existing conditions can obtain coverage.
  • Restores HIPAA pre-existing conditions protections. Prior to Obamacare, HIPAA guaranteed that those in the group market could obtain continuous health coverage regardless of preexisting conditions.
Helps More People Save To Buy Health Insurance and Cover Medical Costs:
  • Incentivizes savings by authorizing a tax credit (up to $5,000 per taxpayer) for individuals and families that contribute to HSAs.
  • Removes the annual cap on HSAs so individuals can make unlimited contributions.
  • Allows HSA funds to be used to purchase insurance, cover premiums, and more easily afford a broader range of health-related expenses, including prescription and OTC drugs, dietary supplements, nutrition and physical exercise expenses, and direct primary care, among others.
Guarantees Fair Tax Treatment of Health Insurance:
  • Equalizes the tax treatment of the purchase of health insurance for individuals and employers by allowing individuals to deduct the cost of their health insurance from their income and payroll taxes.
  • Frees more Americans to purchase and maintain insurance apart from their work status.
  • Does not interfere with employer-provided coverage for Americans who prefer those plans.
Helps Individuals Join Together to Purchase Insurance:
  • Expands Association Health Plans (AHPs) to allow small business owners and individuals to band together across state lines through their membership in a trade or professional association to purchase health coverage for their families and employees at a lower cost.
  • Also allows individuals to pool together through any organization to purchase insurance.
  • Widens access to the group market and spreads out the risk, enhancing the ability of individuals and small businesses to decrease costs, increase administrative efficiencies, and further protect those with pre-existing conditions.
Allows the Purchase of Insurance Across State Lines:
  • Creates an interstate market that allows insurers who are licensed to sell policies in one state to offer them to residents of any other state.
Increases State Medicaid Flexibility:
  • Enables states to fully exercise current flexibilities afforded to them through Medicaid waivers for creating innovative state plan designs.
Empowers Physicians:
  • Allows non-economically aligned physicians to negotiate for higher quality health care for their patients.
  • Amends the Internal Revenue Code to allow a physician a tax deduction equal to the amount such physician would otherwise charge for charity medical care or uncompensated care due to bad debt, limited to 10% of a physician’s gross income for the taxable year.
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Old 01-26-2017, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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It sounds slightly worse than Obamacare.

So business as usual for the politicians.
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