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Old 01-26-2017, 04:31 PM
 
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I would rather forge a closer working relationship with Mexico, and have Trump negotiate a better trade/immigrant agreement that benefits both countries. I would rather build closer ties with Mexico/Canada as a hedge against China. At least Mexico imports a lot more U.S. made goods than China. I appreciate your sentiment though, and do hope things can be worked out that address all the issues at hand. A wall and negative relationship with our neighbor is just not the best way to go about things.
It would be nice but it's difficult. One reason is because Mexico has had harsher deportation laws than us for a long time. If your passport is expired in Mexico it's adios amigo. They deport you, no if ands or buts.

Our's has been ignored and lax for a while. We aren't equal in how we treat illegals. There are illegal Americans in Mexico, and they are just as afraid of being reported because they know it will be a one way ticket back to the U.S.

Even after 20 years and roots in Mexico you'll get deported for being illegal.
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Old 01-26-2017, 04:31 PM
 
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Let's see what all those restaurant and bars do without tequila. Lol.

Make way for inflation and trade wars.
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Old 01-26-2017, 04:32 PM
 
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It's really the remittances that Mexico is afraid of losing -- they are well over $25 billion a year -- the second highest financial resource for Mexico after oil and gas.

Just half that money kept here as American wages instead of going to illegals for just one year would pay for the wall.

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Old 01-26-2017, 04:36 PM
 
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It's really the remittances that Mexico is afraid of losing -- they are well over $25 billion a year -- the second highest financial resource for Mexico after oil and gas.

Just half that money kept here in the U.S. For one year Would pay for the wall.
For heaven sake's, that money doesn't belong to the US treasury but to the workers who EARNED it. Even Trump doesn't advocate confiscating it - that would be outright theft. His position is that it should be spent here in the US rather than in a foreign country.
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Old 01-26-2017, 04:37 PM
 
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It's actually Bush I's agreement...
It was BOTH Bush sr and Clinton. Bush was working to fast track it into legislation(like Obama and TPP). Bush ran out of time, and Clinton added a couple things to it, and officially ratified it and signed it into law. Both were in full support of it. Its a perfect example of a bad policy with bipartisan support.
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Old 01-26-2017, 04:40 PM
 
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Mexico's president Neto more unpopular than Trump -- has only 12% approval rating.
In Mexico, President Peña Nieto more unpopular than Trump
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Old 01-26-2017, 04:53 PM
 
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What makes you think Mexico can't simply replace much of that slack with China, Russia, Brazil, India, and a lot of African countries. Even European ones. That's what'd I'd do if I were the Mexican president right now.
What exactly do you think that Mexico can offer China, Russia, Brazil & India?

Mexico's #1 resource is cheap 3rd world labor. How many Mexican built washing machines do you think they can sell in China, India, Brazil, or any African nation?

Mexican built washing machines in the EU? Will never ever happen. LOL
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Old 01-26-2017, 04:55 PM
 
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True facts.

Dec. 17, 1992, President Bush, Mexican President Salinas, and Canadian Prime Minister Mulroney signed the historic North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
It was signed into law by President Clinton on December 8, 1993, and took effect on January 1, 1994.
Clinton owns it. He could have vetoed it. But, he signed it into law..
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Old 01-26-2017, 04:58 PM
 
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Imagine that AMLO wins the election, how far will he take his anti-US rhetoric as a backlash against Trump? Imagine the day China and Russia would be allowed to station missile silos or missile defense against US nukes on Mexican soil, or station their Navies in ports all along Mexico and patrol off our coasts? And all because a loudmouth like Trump is ruining any relationship and goodwill we had with our neighbor. Scary times to be alive. It'll be the day when we have what is tantamount to a reverse NATO, comprised of Russian and Chinese soldiers, shoring up along our border on Mexican soil, just like how we send NATO troops to the door of Russia.

Even if that doesn't happen, what else could AMLO do? He could also unleash a title wave of illegal immigrant to the US border (who, even with a wall in place, will eventually find ways across the border).
I just glanced at his policies, and it looked like Diet Venezuela

price controls, protectionism, lots of populism, a few weird things that would definitely not come from western economists.

i didn't get the impression that he was militaristic.
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Old 01-26-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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80% of Mexican exports are to the United States. They are completely economically dependent on the US. Something they should seriously consider before making any rash decisions.
Unless Russia and China can afford to support Mexico as a welfare State, Mexico won't be able to do more than make some noise. The US holds all the cards.
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