Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
There has been many good comments made here but I don't think we are any closer to understanding the benefits to a city or town to continue their sanctuary city status.
Cheap labor makes a bit of sense but future democrat voters makes more.
If Hillary had won is there any doubt that she would have granted amnesty to millions of illegals so they could "pay their fair share"? but of course taxation without representation would have been the next step and whamo the illegals get the vote.
Why can't the police detain a person that cannot show or prove that they are here legally. I know that I would have problems if I was picked up and didn't have the proper ID's. In the case of an illegal alien ICE should be called and that person picked up by them. Trump is going to change that of course.
I think a result of Trump being tough on illegal aliens will lead them to stop committing crimes out of fear of being arrested and deported. Under Obama the fear of deportation was low so they would often break the law without much fear.
Illegal aliens should not receive any special considerations over that of citizens or those who immigrated legally but they have until now.
Defund the sanctuary cities. If the mayors insist on violating the law I'm sure their days will be numbered when elections come along.
Funny thing, the ICE office and detention center is right across the street from farms in Oxnard, where hundreds of illegals are working. They can see them. lol They ignore it.
There has been many good comments made here but I don't think we are any closer to understanding the benefits to a city or town to continue their sanctuary city status.
Cheap labor makes a bit of sense but future democrat voters makes more.
If Hillary had won is there any doubt that she would have granted amnesty to millions of illegals so they could "pay their fair share"? but of course taxation without representation would have been the next step and whamo the illegals get the vote.
Why can't the police detain a person that cannot show or prove that they are here legally. I know that I would have problems if I was picked up and didn't have the proper ID's. In the case of an illegal alien ICE should be called and that person picked up by them. Trump is going to change that of course.
I think a result of Trump being tough on illegal aliens will lead them to stop committing crimes out of fear of being arrested and deported. Under Obama the fear of deportation was low so they would often break the law without much fear.
Illegal aliens should not receive any special considerations over that of citizens or those who immigrated legally but they have until now.
Defund the sanctuary cities. If the mayors insist on violating the law I'm sure their days will be numbered when elections come along.
Pretty much a nonsense post. Voting in any numbers will be up mostly to the kids born in the US where legalization makes no difference. No real probability that many of the illegals would be able to vote in 10 years or less. And they may well turn much more conservative as they assimilate.
But if it is a problem make them legal without the right to citizenship. It is more a need to get them out of the dark them making them citizens and then we don't have a voting issue.
Police have no right to demand identification unless they arrest you with probable cause. US Constitution. Alens are required to have proper ID but only an Immigration Officer can ask for it legally.
They have always had a lower crime rate than natives.
Trump has no grounds to defund any city. If he tries he will get sued and likely lose. I doubt he will really try but with Trump you never know. Notice how long the 20% tariff lasted? 2 hours?
They are NOT permitted to. Do you have a problem with the idea of a separation of powers? The courts have ruled in many cases that states can NOT ask about legal status as it not their jurisdiction to do so.
That's an interesting position to take, as it is the states, not the federal government, which register voters.
Are you to have us believe that states cannot ask for nor require proof of US citizenship from those seeking to register to vote?
Quote:
Why is this so hard to understand? Agree with it or not, it is what it is.
States can't even ask for proof if they are registering to vote.
There it is... And people think illegals don't vote? Please.
you all need to get educated on what a sanctuary city does or not do-before spouting off - Google it! I'm tired of posting or explaining-- make yourself happy --go finger pointing some more trumpettes! stay loyal
That's an interesting position to take, as it is the states, not the federal government, which register voters.
Are you to have us believe that states cannot ask for nor require proof of US citizenship from those seeking to register to vote?
There it is... And people think illegals don't vote? Please.
Under motor voter laws people only have to sign that they are citizens to register to vote when getting a drivers license. State laws in many places restrict drivers licences to legal residents and require proof of that so that does take care of it. In other places, where illegals can get licenses like CA, there are special licenses given to those who can't prove citizenship and they can't register to vote at the same time. There is no proof whatsoever that illegals vote in significant numbers in CA or anywhere else.
In Arizona, registering to vote under motor voter without documentation only allows you to vote in Federal elections. You can't vote in state elections unless you register proving citizenship. You actually get a different ballot depending on how you registered. This has been upheld by the courts.
Under motor voter laws people only have to sign that they are citizens to register to vote when getting a drivers license. State laws in many places restrict drivers licences to legal residents and require proof of that so that does take care of it. In other places, where illegals can get licenses like CA, there are special licenses given to those who can't prove citizenship and they can't register to vote at the same time. There is no proof whatsoever that illegals vote in significant numbers in CA or anywhere else.
Easy way to check that... get the voter rolls in precincts in which illegals have been issued driver's licenses and see if any of them have voted.
Quote:
In Arizona, registering to vote under motor voter without documentation only allows you to vote in Federal elections.
So... illegals can vote in federal elections, such as the 2016 Presidential election. Got it.
Easy way to check that... get the voter rolls in precincts in which illegals have been issued driver's licenses and see if any of them have voted.
So... illegals can vote in federal elections, such as the 2016 Presidential election. Got it.
You are beating a dead horse. It is clear that people can and do vote illegal. Demonstrated in So. FL and it is not unusual to find ineligible voters elsewhere. However in FL virtually all were in fact legal permanent residents and elsewhere felons who are citizens. So the majority of known illegal voters are in fact legal and hold photo ID etc.
And of course people have checked the CA voter rolls. But they found nothing so there was nothing to report. You really think those opposed to illegals did not try hard to find good examples? The lack of reports testifies that there are very few if any.
You are beating a dead horse. It is clear that people can and do vote illegal. Demonstrated in So. FL and it is not unusual to find ineligible voters elsewhere. However in FL virtually all were in fact legal permanent residents and elsewhere felons who are citizens. So the majority of known illegal voters are in fact legal and hold photo ID etc.
Holding a photo ID isn't the requirement to vote. Being a US citizen is.
Quote:
And of course people have checked the CA voter rolls.
Are you sure? Who checked to see if the illegals who were issued CA driver's licenses voted or not in the 2016 election? Do you have a link to that?
Holding a photo ID isn't the requirement to vote. Being a US citizen is.
Are you sure? Who checked to see if the illegals who were issued CA driver's licenses voted or not in the 2016 election? Do you have a link to that?
Google "Proven illegal alien voter fraud" Lots of response. No actual examples. But CA does provide a good vehicle to test the theory. Look at voting by congressional district. One would of course expect high votes in the areas with high Mexican presence. What do you find?
****************************************
In most of the country, it is rather normal for the winner of a congressional race to get at about 200,000 votes in the general election and for at least 300,000 votes to be cast. In 2016, with California turnout low due to the presidential race not being remotely close, 12 out of the 53 winners got 200,000 votes, and not one of them was in an area with a significant portion of the population calling themselves “Mexican” in the last census. Importantly, none of those 12 were in remotely competitive districts (several, including Nancy Pelosi, came from the super-rich, very white, and ultra-liberal San Francisco area), which would theoretically inflate turnout.
******************************************
Further where was there low turnout?
******************************************
The 21st congressional district is a particularly perfect proof that what Trump is saying is total bullcrap. Not only did that district have by far the lowest turnout in the state while having about the highest percentage of “Mexicans,” but it was somehow won by a Republican.
***********************************************
Both from... Here is the Proof that Trump is Indeed Lying about Illegal Voting | Mediaite
The concept is simple, you want people to report crimes and to be witnesses. Well if those witnesses are afraid to report a crime because they are afraid to be deported you need to tell them you will not have them deported. The criminals need to go to jail and then be deported. We need to keep honest working people.
Its pretty simple and works.
No, it's not so simple.
We hear this argument a lot about co-operating witnesses. But what if the undocumented person is the defendant himself with no third party crimes? What would be the point to not reporting him to federal authorities for removal? The only witness he is, is to himself
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
q
