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Factory jobs aren't coming back. Unskilled labor is a relic of the 20th century. Why is this so hard to understand? Everything will be automated. We literally have millions of baby boomers voting for people like Trump because he 'will bring back manufacturing' when these same people can't even send an email. The other day my aunt (72), who I have to listen to for hours on end telling me about how much Jimmy Carter sucked, was in the hospital. While I was visiting her she didn't even know how to check her cell phone for recent calls or could check her contact list in order to figure out if she had someone's number or not. But she'll still vote for the candidate who claims they'll bring back 1950s and 60s Americana when that is nothing more than pipe dream. Do you not understand automation and how far advanced our technology has become? It's already been over half a decade since advanced robotics fulfilled its 500th million drug prespcription in an automated pharmacy with over 99% accuracy:
If a highly trained position like a pharmacist is going to go the way of the dinosaur, why do you think we're going to bring back assembly line manufacturing? Chalk that one up to the bin of empty promises.
You don't think the factories in china, mexico, taiwan, vietnam, etc have people working inside them? They are doing the jobs that Americans used to do. If you don't think factories need people, you havn't driven by the parking lot of one before. Sure automation will be huge but there will be a demand for people still. Maybe it won't be hanging parts on a hook on an assembly line, but there are lots of jobs to be had in manufacturing. Even better, there will be a huge need for people to maintain the machines, upgrade, install, repair, design, consult, etc. These are the REAL good paying jobs related to manufacturing.
We aren't talking about 50s and 60s america here, the 90s will do fine.
You don't think the factories in china, mexico, taiwan, vietnam, etc have people working inside them? They are doing the jobs that Americans used to do. If you don't think factories need people, you havn't driven by the parking lot of one before. Sure automation will be huge but there will be a demand for people still. Maybe it won't be hanging parts on a hook on an assembly line, but there are lots of jobs to be had in manufacturing. Even better, there will be a huge need for people to maintain the machines, upgrade, install, repair, design, consult, etc. These are the REAL good paying jobs related to manufacturing.
We aren't talking about 50s and 60s america here, the 90s will do fine.
They're going to be automated. Period. Apple is about to blowup Foxconn in China and won't even need Chinese workers anymore. You're living in the past. The 90s were nearly 30 years ago. The internet was hardly around for the beginning of the 90s.
And you're stuck in a mindset that belongs to the 20th century. Do you realize we will have machines that can fix themselves? We will have computers that can debug and program themselves or learn to work and optimize their tasks through advanced artificial intelligence. And what if machines NEVER break. Do you realize how far we are from the 90s wrt things like material science? How do you have a job fixing something that will never break?
Many millenials go to college and earn a useless degree like creative writing or philosophy and end up waiting tables. But they feel so superior to the coal miners and steel workers who never wasted that tuition money.......
Recently had a discussion with someone regarding if manufacturing jobs did come back to the country. That the current millennial generation would not want to work in a factory type setting no matter what the pay.
Though I have to admit in my younger years when i worked in a factory---I hated it. It was dirty, smelly, boring, just a total depressing job especially when working in an assembly line!
Didn't you hear? Our country is broke. A good start is there are a lot of people on welfare and they could work in the factories. And if they were too busy working they would have so much time on their hands to cause the problems we're seeing.
As for millennials. What do they expect? If they don't have an education do you suppose we are supposed to hand them a welfare check for the rest of their lives because working in a manufacturing job is beneath them. There is something wrong with that picture.
They're going to be automated. Period. Apple is about to blowup Foxconn in China and won't even need Chinese workers anymore. You're living in the past. The 90s were nearly 30 years ago. The internet was hardly around for the beginning of the 90s.
And you're stuck in a mindset that belongs to the 20th century. Do you realize we will have machines that can fix themselves? We will have computers that can debug and program themselves or learn to work and optimize their tasks through advanced artificial intelligence. And what if machines NEVER break. Do you realize how far we are from the 90s wrt things like material science? How do you have a job fixing something that will never break?
Unskilled labor is a relic of the 20th century. Manufacturing coming back is a pipe dream.
I disagree, you are living in a bubble. You have never worked an unskilled or skilled labor job evidently. We are a LONG way away from everything being automated. What you see on youtube is cutting edge. Technology will absolutely play a factor, but there will be plenty jobs once manufacturing comes back. We already have tons of manufacturing plants here and there are tons of people working in them. Some have posted on this forum. Technology is great, it will allow us to produce more output per capita and overall improve our y/l GDP per capita. This is macro 101 stuff. Technology was solow's surprise. It is to be embraced. The "low skill" jobs might change form, but the "if manufacturing comes back there will be no jobs" idea is pretty lame honestly. Give it a chance and you will be proven wrong again just like you were about Trump becoming president. Just sayin.
Factory jobs aren't coming back. Unskilled labor is a relic of the 20th century. Why is this so hard to understand? Everything will be automated.
You are just parroting what you read. Anyone can say it. You probably haven't even seen inside of a factory. How do you know what is or is not automated? Automation doesn't surface overnight. Besides, why is it that the same factory moved to Mexico employs thousands of people but here it's run by two guys on an ipad? Get your story straight.
You are just parroting what you read. Anyone can say it. You probably haven't even seen inside of a factory. How do you know what is or is not automated? Automation doesn't surface overnight. Besides, why is it that the same factory moved to Mexico employs thousands of people but here it's run by two guys on an ipad? Get your story straight.
Cost. $2/hr labor in Mexico, at least 8.05/hr US labor. The wet dream of the reactionaries that livable wages will come as a result of these jobs that were paying Mexicans 2/hr is pretty far fetched. You're asking producers to increase their labor costs by more than 500%. They'll bean count and invest in tech when that time comes.
For the time being it's so cheap to get human labor in Mexico. The same isn't true here. Even if it doesn't surface overnight it's clear we're heading that way, why should young people invest themselves in a career that's shedding workforce over time?
Fibonacci your aunt was right Jimmy Carter was an idiot. But you are right about tech and AI will replace most human workers. The question is how far off it will be, 30, 50 or 80 years??? I think if you got a time machine and went a 120 years into the future most all people in first world countries will be on basic income and AI and robotics will be doing most all work. I think we are doing a dry run right now with so many people out of the workforce on welfair and disability in western countries. I predict the transition will be rough. If I ever have grand kids I would tell them to buy a small out of the way plot of land, learn some animal husbandry, LEARN TO GARDEN and learn to use a firearm just in case the basic income is not enough.
Cost. $2/hr labor in Mexico, at least 8.05/hr US labor. The wet dream of the reactionaries that livable wages will come as a result of these jobs that were paying Mexicans 2/hr is pretty far fetched. You're asking producers to increase their labor costs by more than 500%. They'll bean count and invest in tech when that time comes.
For the time being it's so cheap to get human labor in Mexico. The same isn't true here. Even if it doesn't surface overnight it's clear we're heading that way, why should young people invest themselves in a career that's shedding workforce over time?
For like the 5 thousandth time, it isn't just the $8 dollar an hour jobs that are getting offshored. I've seen $40 an hour design jobs vanish, $100k engineering jobs, skilled die makers, machinists...the list goes on. Why can't the global cheerleaders get that ? Will they finally get it when offshoring effects them ?
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