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Old 01-28-2017, 11:41 PM
 
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It's wildly unconstitutional.
Show me what clause in the Constitution is being violated. Keep in mind that Constitution applies only to Americans.
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:47 PM
 
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Considering most of these attacks have been committed by Americans (even former military), your fear is pretty unfounded and on top of that the odds are 1 in 20 million or so.

The knee jerk crap is what got us TSA, Patriot act and other big government. All because pin heads don't understand math and are scared of essentially nothing.

Let us not forget that 911 as it happened would never happen again as the people on the plane simply aren't going to sit there and be held back by box cutters.

You fools will give away your rights and due process for nothing in return. All because you are scared old idiots that get shaken up by all the world news getting blasted in your face after decades of not having it.

You're ridiculous as is the ban. It was the equivalent of killing a moth with a flame thrower in your house and the consequences to people that are good, law abiding and already went through the process of immigration get stuck holding the sack of crap. Who cares though because religion.

People are seriously stupid.
Are you trying to argue that those people were NOT of Middle Eastern descent?

By the way, the OSU attacker was a Somalian refugee.
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:48 PM
 
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For the sake of informing the uninformed, here is a link explaining the "stay".

Federal judge grants stay to allow those with visas to remain, 10 still detained at JFK | Fox News

The BAN is in full effect. The 'stay' is only for the people that were mid-flight at the time the executive order was issued.
Liberals have a reading comprehension problem. This is not a legal win for them, at all.
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Old 01-29-2017, 12:27 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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It's so laughable you people forget the history already of the United States. We've been here. Done this already. And it was a mistake almost every. single. time.

Millions of Americans enjoy things like Bing Cherries, which was invented by none other than a Chinese immigrant Ah Bing. The crop is even worth close to a billion dollars every year. Ah Bing went home to visit China, but because of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, Mr. Bing was never allowed to return to the United States.

We also banned Asians from immigrating to the US until 1965, purely for racist reasons.

And now we're doing the crap all over again, because of peoples' irrational fears of some veil wearing Muslims. This is even from Fox News:

Trump's immigrant ban part of a long, sad tradition | Fox News

I thought America has made some progress more than its 19th century mindset.
Actually, we HAVE made progress.

So far, american crowds are PROTESTING this action, not piling onto the folks who are its object.

I keep telling myself this.

But it's discouraging all the same.
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Old 01-29-2017, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Fargo
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I'd like to point that out to liberals. It appears that a couple liberal mayors and governors have incorrectly stated that a Muslim iimmigrant/refugee ban is unconstitutional. Now I see a bunch of my liberal friends on Facebook repeating the mantra.

Rights of Americans do not apply to non-Americans. Simple as that.

This is like the same argument where liberals believed that captured Al Qaeda terrorists from other countries should be entitled to a lawyer and trial.

Also it is amazing to me how liberals hate religion -- unless that religion is Islam, in which case they rush to defend it.
If the same decision was made against Jews, would you even bother having the same attitude?
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Old 01-29-2017, 12:35 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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But it's not a "Muslim" ban. It's a temporary ban on "all people" from specific countries. Thus, not unconstitutional. In fact, Obama did the exact same thing.

Obama Admin Paused Iraq Refugee Program In 2011
Not exactly.

Yes, the Trump EO stops the refugee application process.

But that's not all Trump's order does. It also abrogate the rights of people who already have green cards and visas, with no warning. Which is a couple giant steps further. It's incredibly unfair. Very poor advertisement for american ethics and values.

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Old 01-29-2017, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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If the same decision was made against Jews, would you even bother having the same attitude?
Um, this EO IS against jews. Also it's against christians.

It's based on where these people are originally from.
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Old 01-29-2017, 12:40 AM
 
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Keep in mind that Constitution applies only to Americans.
Idiot.
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Old 01-29-2017, 12:40 AM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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Show me what clause in the Constitution is being violated. Keep in mind that Constitution applies only to Americans.
You're clueless. Congress has plenary power over immigration. The president doesn't get to make up his own immigration laws.

It has nothing to do with US citizens. It's about separation of powers. Look up the Plenary Power Doctrine.
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Old 01-29-2017, 01:07 AM
 
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You're wrong... it is unconstitutional to punish an undocumented person for committing a crime. And it's racist. Love Trump's hate okay. We owe it to these people because Americans have stolen from everyone.

Enough with Trump. Resist! He will not Divide us.
Incorrect. Our laws are for our own people, not for our enemies to use against us. You don't get American rights until you become an American. This is why we did not try enemies in American courts until the idiot Obama starting pushing for it. Our enemies would use our system of justice against us in order to bind our hands.
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