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Old 01-29-2017, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Athol, Idaho
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It doesn't in any way. People today don't seem to understand how the world works, people and ideas aren't always compatible.. I think we have it so damn free and easy in the USA we forget what kind of place the world actually is. Or people just want to create strife for the sake of watching a train wreck.
So many Americans also think that anybody else in the world love our way of life when that isn't the case at all.
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Athol, Idaho
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I am of the opinion that the specific reason the Trump Administration chose these specific countries lies in the fact that they are very destabilized nations with very weak forms of government control. This makes it much more difficult for our nation to vet people coming from these nations. Saudi Arabia for example does NOT have a destabilized government. They have a pretty accurate paper trail on every citizen. You can bet that nation has a pretty good idea of who most of the troublemakers of that nation are, which makes that information much easier to get when we try to vet someone coming from that nation.

If you actually think about it, this really isn't that difficult to understand. It isn't rocket surgery.
I didn't think of this, but it would be a good reason. Their own government may no know who they are in the first place. That is a real problem.
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Empathy, it's a thing. Did the drowned Syrian 5-year-old on a Greek beach have a negative impact on your life?
Do two men sucking face on an altar have a negative impact on my life?

I hear that one a lot.
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Athol, Idaho
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Exactly. And for those constantly harping about safety, that excuse is getting very old now. Are we going to punish every single brown person who ever lived until the end of time because of the actions of a few?

And are we actually so afraid of our "safety" that we can't allow immigration without fear? We will all die sometime and becoming more and more restrictive about an exxagerated "terror threat" will not prevent it.
We are all going to die anyway, so who cares? I value my life more than you do yours. What a terrible way to look at it.
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:31 AM
 
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Empathy, it's a thing. Did the drowned Syrian 5-year-old on a Greek beach have a negative impact on your life?
That's all an eastern hemisphere problem let them deal with it. America first.

Countries don't appreciate anything the U.S. does for them anyway.
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Originally Posted by KS_Referee View Post
I am of the opinion that the specific reason the Trump Administration chose these specific countries lies in the fact that they are very destabilized nations with very weak forms of government control. This makes it much more difficult for our nation to vet people coming from these nations. Saudi Arabia for example does NOT have a destabilized government. They have a pretty accurate paper trail on every citizen. You can bet that nation has a pretty good idea of who most of the troublemakers of that nation are, which makes that information much easier to get when we try to vet someone coming from that nation. If you actually think about it, this really isn't that difficult to understand. It isn't rocket surgery.
Ok, fair enough but please explain why isn't Afghanistan on the list?
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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For one, it doesn't have to impact you to make something not right. If we all only fought against injustices that happened to us, then how could we call ourselves decent human beings?

But to the point of the thread...

I work at a university. One of my favorite coworkers was a Lost Boy of Sudan. He has a green card and is on the path for citizenship, but he also recently found relatives who he lost when his village was raided and he left on foot as a child. In the past two or three years, he's been going back and forth to the refugee camp in Kenya to get to know them. Even though he is LEGALLY in the US and will soon be a citizen, if he had been out of the country when this order came down, he wouldn't have been able to get back in.

There is a conference in Europe next week that several of our PhD candidates and postdocs have been invited to present at. It's a big deal. A BIG deal. But the research team includes someone from Syria and someone from Iran. I was involved on Friday afternoon with emergency meetings about how to try to get them to go to honor their work. Now, they cannot go. Legally in the US and some of the best and brightest in the world, but we don't know that they would be able to get back in.

We have quite a few students who hold Somalian, Sudanese, or other citizenships who are currently studying abroad. All are legally in the US, many with either dual-citizenship or permanent legal residency. They and their parents are calling in a panic about if they will be able to get home. Not to mention that this action puts all Americans at risk abroad by deeply tarnishing the perception of the US.

A friend at my synagogue is of British-Iraqi descent. He's a naturalized US citizen but his parents both also hold Iraqi citizenship. He's expecting his first child soon and is concerned his parents will not be allowed into the country to meet their grandchild. Several others in my synagogue have Iranian citizenship. Remember- anyone with an Iranian father automatically has Iranian citizenship. And that's to say nothing that few of us would have even existed if someone had not accepted us as refugees.

I would not exist if my great grandparents had not been accepted as refugees. Every. last. Jewish. person. in the town my family comes from was taken out into the woods and shot. Every single one. Not in my name. And sure as hell not on Holocaust Memorial Day.
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Athol, Idaho
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So you look forward to seeing more people in the country turn away from religion, buy you want to......bring tens of thousands of very religious people into the country? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
It brings in a whole different religion that people on the left think we should be sympathetic to. Why?
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-Martin Niemoller
"they" aren't coming for anyone. Making sure you know who is coming into the country is hardly nazi Germany no matter how badly liberals want to paint it that way.
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Maine
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So you look forward to seeing more people in the country turn away from religion, buy you want to......bring tens of thousands of very religious people into the country? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Exactly. Many liberals eschew organized religions and seem to loathe Christians, but they eagerly want to bring in very religious people from a religion that generally despises (and actively preach violence against) Jews and Christians and the "evil" western world. It doesn't make sense to most people.
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