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View Poll Results: Do you want Roe V Wade overturned?
No 193 79.75%
Yes 49 20.25%
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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It will become illegal in red states, so places like MS and TX will just bring back the back alley coat hanger abortions, goodie gum drops
And make no doubt about it, every one of those people who support abortion bans would quite strongly feel whatever horror happens to a woman, including death, she would richly deserve for getting an illegal abortion.
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:53 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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If Pro-Lifer's want to define LIFE upon Conception... They really need to understand physiology. That's like saying..planting a spore on a host auto >>> LIFE.. How freakish thinking is that?
They are trying to turn their religious beliefs into law. When I was younger, I dated a man who thought masturbation was a sin and that ejaculation was tantamount to killing life. That was his religious belief. He even quoted verses about "spilling your seed" from the Bible. So maybe ejaculation should be illegal.
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:54 PM
 
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Now you are just making things up. If the bolded were true, in anyway shape or form, 11 week old fetuses would be able to survive outside the womb. That is not the case, and therefore that is BALONEY.




Fully formed? That would mean VIABLE.

If it was full formed, and able to "maintain life of a human being" than an 11 week old fetus would be able to live on its own. It can't, that means it is not fully formed, and not able to maintain life.

Oh, and it isn't MY definition of life, it is the definition of scientists use. So to quote you "sorry but SCIENCE"
Fully formed and fully developed have different meanings. A fetus can be fully formed, meaning all the parts are formed, but those organs continue to develop over the 9 month period. A child born at 25 weeks can be fully formed, but the lungs may not be fully developed, or other features may continue developing post birth.


I said fully formed, not fully developed and that IS SCIENCE.
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:54 PM
 
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Abortion is not safer than childbirth. Unless you ignore the facts.


Risks of Abortion vs Childbirth


Abortion Is Not Safer Than Giving Birth


| National Review
You posted a bunch of anti-choice websites.

Sorry but SCIENCE

"The pregnancy-associated mortality rate among
women who delivered live neonates was 8.8 deaths per
100,000 live births. The mortality rate related to induced
abortion was 0.6 deaths per 100,000 abortions. In the one
recent comparative study of pregnancy morbidity in the
United States, pregnancy-related complications were more
common with childbirth than with abortion."

From an actual scientific study

Raymond, Elizabeth G., and David A. Grimes. "The comparative safety of legal induced abortion and childbirth in the United States." Obstetrics & Gynecology 119.2, Part 1 (2012): 215-219.

The Comparative Safety of Legal Induced Abortion and Childbi... : Obstetrics & Gynecology

Nice try tho!
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Roe v Wade was the Supreme Court making law. It's not their job.

I do not support a woman's choice to commit murder.
Then do you strongly feel a law must be passed requiring all pregnant women to give birth? Those women violating the law would be charged with murder?
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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There is no basic right to terminate the life of another living being. The state has every right to protect its citizens from death at the hands of another.


Marriage is also not a "basic right." The very fact that the government can determine who can and who can't get married is prima facie evidence that it is not a right. The states regulate the age a person is eligible to marry. The state determines whether first cousins can marry. The state is the issuer of the marriage license, so explain to me how marriage is not a state issue?

A fetus is NOT a citizen.


Can a state declare that it is illegal for a white person to marry a black person?


Why not?
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:57 PM
 
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They are trying to turn their religious beliefs into law. When I was younger, I dated a man who thought masturbation was a sin and that ejaculation was tantamount to killing life. That was his religious belief. He even quoted verses about "spilling your seed" from the Bible. So maybe ejaculation should be illegal.
Sure, compare masturbation to a human being, that's a valid argument. A fetus is a human life, it exists, it has potential. That is science. Some people are pro-life based on religion, others are pro-life based on science and because they place value on life and potential. It is easy to dismiss the validity of the pro-life argument by saying it is religious only and then throwing in a good masturbation story to prove your point, but that only proves that you are unwilling to accept the reality of science and the reality that abortion is about ending a human life and denying that life its potential.
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:59 PM
 
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A fetus is NOT a citizen.


Can a state declare that it is illegal for a white person to marry a black person?


Why not?
Can they? Apparently they can, because those laws existed. I'm surprised you didn't know that.


A fetus is a human being with the unalienable right to life and the potential that life affords that fetus.
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Old 01-30-2017, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I'm not anti-morals, but why try to legislate morality?
Because many Christian people pretty strongly believe that morality is the only thing you can pass.
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Old 01-30-2017, 08:00 PM
 
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You posted a bunch of anti-choice websites.

Sorry but SCIENCE

"The pregnancy-associated mortality rate among
women who delivered live neonates was 8.8 deaths per
100,000 live births. The mortality rate related to induced
abortion was 0.6 deaths per 100,000 abortions. In the one
recent comparative study of pregnancy morbidity in the
United States, pregnancy-related complications were more
common with childbirth than with abortion."

From an actual scientific study

Raymond, Elizabeth G., and David A. Grimes. "The comparative safety of legal induced abortion and childbirth in the United States." Obstetrics & Gynecology 119.2, Part 1 (2012): 215-219.

The Comparative Safety of Legal Induced Abortion and Childbi... : Obstetrics & Gynecology

Nice try tho!
The study in Finland was an actual scientific study. The fact that you disapprove of the website upon which it was posted does not negate the findings.
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