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And I believe we already established that your viewpoints are a little nutty. So we can choose to disagree.
No, YOU have decided that my viewpoint is nutty because you cannot reasonably invalidate it. YOU decided it was nutty because reason is apparently too difficult a concept for you to employ when discussing an issue with others outside your echo chamber.
Just because you value something does not make it legal to force others to value it the same.
You are perfectly allowed to disapprove of abortion, therefore you should not have one.
The issue is you think you have the right to tell someone else that because you THINK a fetus shouldn't be aborted that they have no right to an abortion should they want one. That is FORCE.
And nowhere in any of my posts have a stated that my pro-life viewpoint in anyway forces anyone from not killing their babies if they want to.
Thanks for "allowing" me to have an opinion that you don't like!
No, YOU have decided that my viewpoint is nutty because you cannot reasonably invalidate it. YOU decided it was nutty because reason is apparently too difficult a concept for you to employ when discussing an issue with others outside your echo chamber.
Nonsense.
You have given no logical or evidence based proof that a fetus is a living, and in fact have stated that fetuses are fully formed in their entirety, at 11 weeks. That would mean fully formed systems capable of keeping said fetus alive outside the womb aka viable. That does not happen. When this is pointed out to you, you just ignore it and repeat the same thing. That is nutty.
Right back at you... Either a mother deliberately acting to kill her fetus is homicide, or it's not. Can't have it both ways. Ethical flaw.
Again read you links. Most of those laws are not aimed at the mother for feticide, in fact, many specifically state that they are crimes stemming form attempting to murder the mother.
And, ultimately, I agree with you. Assaulting a pregnant woman, and it resulting in miscarriage at any time before the child is viable, is not murder.
The GOP platform states that it is pro-life, no where in the platform does is state that the GOP stands for denying abortion. That is you projecting your own beliefs on to others.
Pro-life means anti-abortion. Republicans know that. Don't be ridiculous.
The GOP is not advocating increasing support to care for mother and children.
"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."
Pro-life, like all parts of religion is about control. Without religion, there would be no control of the masses. They are particularly interested in control of intercourse. How, when, where and with who.
For most pro lifers , no. Pro life is largely about not wanting people to use abortion as retroactive birth control because , surprise!, having sex can cause one to get pregnant . Sex is great. I'm all for adults having as much sex with whomever they want and is willing all they desire . I have no interest at all in their sexual lives . But be adult about the possible consequences, and don't insist on the right to terminate a life at any stage simply because you were careless and feel this life will be an inconvenience to you .
The pro choice crowd is extremely dishonest about the motivations of the pro life crowd . I guess simply admitting that many think callously ending a life for convenience reasons is wrong puts the pro choice crowd on the defensive ethically , and so they feel the need to demonized the pro life crowd to blunt the fact that it is the pro life crowd that wants and expects adults to act like...well, adults .
That's why Democrats lose; they are so busy assigning beliefs to their various straw men that they have no way of understanding what is happening to them.
Second that. I am also pro choice , however liberal morons just cannot resist turning it into some form of desiring to subjugate women. Everything is sexist. everyone who does not agree with them is a monster.
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