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Old 02-01-2017, 03:23 PM
 
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Sally Yates Has Been Nominated For JFK Profile In Courage Award | The Huffington Post





while Republicans enjoy all branches of government liberal hero Sally Yates has been nominated for this JFK awards. Congrats!
How is what she did any different than what Kim Davis in Kentucky did? Remember the county clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples? Both defy the laws of the land they serve, and neither are courageous.

 
Old 02-01-2017, 03:25 PM
 
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It's not a "little award". It is an important award that carries great meaning to those of us who actually understand and appreciate the courageous efforts of people who follow the law.....not a despot who wants to trash the Constitution so he can have more power. It is traditionally presented by JFK's daughter, Caroline Kennedy Schlossburg.
She's not following the law! We have immigration laws that haven't been enforced in years, and nothing Trump did was unlawful.
 
Old 02-01-2017, 03:29 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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She did not break the law! She upheld the law!
...and just like Elliott Richardson, a very conservative Republican who was also an hones Attorney General, was fired for her courage, just like Nixon fired him for not going along with the Watergate coverup. Both of them served in the finest tradition of their office.

We all know what happened to Nixon afterward. It's only a matter of time before Trump meets the same fate. As Richardson was fully vindicated and honored for his courage, so will Sally Yates.

Nixon knew the law and tried to skirt it. Trump knows nothing much at all about what's legal and not.
The difference, which everyone forgets, is that the Attorney General is a member of the Executive Branch, Special Prosecutors are not.

So while Nixon may have demanded the termination the AG had no authority to do so.
 
Old 02-01-2017, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The difference, which everyone forgets, is that the Attorney General is a member of the Executive Branch, Special Prosecutors are not.

So while Nixon may have demanded the termination the AG had no authority to do so.
The Attorney General is our topmost lawyer first and a member of the Executive secondly. If the AG breaks the law, who else can protect it in the Cabinet?

Yates already knew her days were numbered. So doing the right thing was probably easier for her as a decision than if she had been Trump's appointee, but it was still a hard thing to do that took a lot of guts.

But then, standing up to a bully is never easy, even when the bully isn't the President of the United States.
 
Old 02-01-2017, 03:52 PM
 
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It is precisely American to protest and stand up.

Regardless if you agree or not. It is unAmerican to stand idle...
I don't recall the left saying that about the Tea Partiers. I seem to remember them being called racists and bigots.
 
Old 02-01-2017, 03:56 PM
 
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Judiciary Act of 1789

History of the Federal Judiciary

"And there shall also be appointed a meet person, learned in the law, to act as attorney-general for the United States, who shall be sworn or affirmed to a faithful execution of his office; whose duty it shall be to prosecute and conduct all suits in the Supreme Court in which the United States shall be concerned, and to give his advice and opinion upon questions of law when required by the President of the United States, or when requested by the heads of any of the departments, touching any matters that may concern their departments, and shall receive such compensation for his services as shall by law be provided. "

I see nothing in there that states that the AG must do what the President demands. The AG represents the United States (not the President) and gives advice/opinion to the President who doesn't have to take it. Are we suggesting that the President IS the United States?

I believe she was in every right not to follow orders... I also believe the President was in every right to fire her.
Her "opinion" is not the official policy of the United States. That is issued by the Executive. She should have kept her trap shut and resigned if she could not follow orders. Thanks President Trump for saving the taxpayers from paying her a pension.
 
Old 02-01-2017, 04:23 PM
 
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The Attorney General is our topmost lawyer first and a member of the Executive secondly. If the AG breaks the law, who else can protect it in the Cabinet?

Yates already knew her days were numbered. So doing the right thing was probably easier for her as a decision than if she had been Trump's appointee, but it was still a hard thing to do that took a lot of guts.

But then, standing up to a bully is never easy, even when the bully isn't the President of the United States.

Then I have to ask, where was she when President Obama did the same thing several years ago? Does that mean the law was Constitutional when he imposed an immigration moratorium and became unConstitutional when Trump became President?

Or was it just showboating and grandstanding for political purposes?
 
Old 02-01-2017, 04:29 PM
 
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Then I have to ask, where was she when President Obama did the same thing several years ago? Does that mean the law was Constitutional when he imposed an immigration moratorium and became unConstitutional when Trump became President?

Or was it just showboating and grandstanding for political purposes?
Obama didn't have a ban and he didn't lead into any actions with comments relative to singling out a religion for a ban on immigration.


Yates had bi-partisan support before all this and has been around 30 years but now she's being partisan, now where have I hear this before. Sessions even seems to agree with her decision.
 
Old 02-01-2017, 04:39 PM
 
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Obama didn't have a ban and he didn't lead into any actions with comments relative to singling out a religion for a ban on immigration.


Yates had bi-partisan support before all this and has been around 30 years but now she's being partisan, now where have I hear this before. Sessions even seems to agree with her decision.
And Trump has? Where is the word ban? That's your word, not the word in the EO.
 
Old 02-01-2017, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Then I have to ask, where was she when President Obama did the same thing several years ago? Does that mean the law was Constitutional when he imposed an immigration moratorium and became unConstitutional when Trump became President?

Or was it just showboating and grandstanding for political purposes?
Do you know what a moratorium even is?

If you do, then you must know the difference between it and a complete ban of all travel into or out of a nation.
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