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I didn't vote for Trump. I don't like his personality and have always thought he was an "elitist" and a racist. However, I was willing to give him a chance primarily on economic issues as I do care about people getting paid more money and keeping jobs in America. I also care about increasing the dollar amount of my investments. I also try to find something to like about all our presidents. I am an independent and don't really care about party line stuff. On your questions:
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Originally Posted by juneaubound
We've had three months of crying, safety pin displaying, safe spacing, Hollywood videotaping, vote recounting, Russian accusing, Democrat obstructing, city destroying, p***y-hat wearing, fake news watching, dissatisfaction with the results of the 2016 election.
My question is for those who voted for someone other than Trump and/or who did not vote in the last election. For those who are NOT wholly invested in hating on Trump. What do you really think about what has been happening across the country?
How do the feel about the response from liberals who loathe Trump, his voters, and everything they stand for? Do you agree with their responses? Support their responses? Think their responses are good or bad for the country (and for the party)?
I guess I'm trying to figure out if there are any liberals on this site who are disgusted with how things are playing out among the people of this country, and who are willing to accept the results of the election and give Trump an honest chance to govern.
Anybody out there?
1 - I think the country has been very polarized since the Clinton administration. I think that conservatives began this polarization with their very intense attacks on Clinton. That caused liberals to get defensive when GW Bush was president. In 2001 after 9/11 I think liberals stopped being so anal about Bush because they wanted to unite as a country, but then he got focused on Iraq and they got back into the polarization thing and that grew as the economy tanked as well during his presidency. I think that conservatives went crazy over Obama and liberals didn't like that they did. They felt Obama tried to work too much with conservatives, yet conservatives were acting like big babies. They felt Obama was not liberal enough. HRC was nominated and they felt that she cheated Sanders. This has caused a schism amongst the liberals. They still didn't think Trump would be elected because he is crass and kind of racist. He was and they are going crazy like conservatives did over Obama. That is what I think has happened. I think going forward someone will have to be the adults in all this. I feel that for a large amount of GW Bush's presidency (until the economy really started to tank) that liberals and especially Democratically elected officials were the adults and they did seek to work with Bush on issues affecting our country. I do feel that the GOP were basically big babies with Obama and refused compromise. I think that the Democrats in congress are being pressured by liberals to do the same to Trump. Also that the liberals are attempting to galvanize the ultra left liberals and have them take over the party, similar to the Tea Party, ultra conservatives having taken over the GOP (except for Trump, who honestly I would rather have even with his personality and racism than Pence or Cruz or some other insane Tea Partier type of conservative).
2 - I don't feel anything negative about liberals protesting issues they feel are important to them or them protesting Trump in general as long as it doesn't dissolve into violence or property destruction. I believe that the majority of violence and property destruction is not coming from actual liberal protestors but from agitating groups like Anarchist and nationalistic type of groups (like black nationalists). I support peaceful gatherings and protest no matter what ideology
3,4,5 - I agree with the intent of the marches. I agree that women's rights in regards to access to abortion services and contraception is at risk and so I fully supported (even financially) that march and have gotten involved in my local choice and women's organizations since Trump's election. I support them protesting the ban as I don't agree with it. I support the environmental demonstrations over oil pipelines as I think they should change the direction of the pipeline and settle the dispute. So I agree with a lot of what they are doing and don't view it as party related. I don't think it is bad for the party. I think the liberal base is hell bent on taking over the Democratic party.
I am not "disgusted" by the protests. If anything I am encouraged by them and happy they are standing up for their rights and what they believe in.
I voted for Hillary because Trump demonstrated he is unhinged on the campaign trail, and he has not changed one iota. The same brash tweeting and insulting of anyone who is opposed to him is child-like and not becoming of a President. His first two weeks have been a cluster**** to say the least.
I do not support him. I hope he fails. I stand in opposition to him, but I'm not going to go riot in the streets. I'll be voting Democrat all up and down the ticket (except Governor) to oppose him, and donating to Democrats so maybe we can get a majority to counter his regressive policies.
On the bold, I am similar. I am an independent but have been mulling over even volunteering with our local DNC in an effort to get more Democrats elected for 2018 in congressional districts.
I think a lot of moderate Democrats and center left independents are getting more involved to get more balance in our government. It worries me that Trump has a majority in both houses. We need balance and not to let one party rule everything IMO.
I didn't vote for Trump, but I'm disgusted by all the anti-Trump hatred. The knee-jerk reactions, the sheer stupidity, hypocrisy, closed-mindedness, arrogance. UGH. I'm sick of it! For example, I just saw the thread about the nationwide strike to be held on Feb 17, and I'm thinking wtf??? Everyone is supposed to skip work because...????
The more anti-Trump hatred I hear, the more I feel myself wanting to cheer him on and support him. (I don't even understand that about myself---some psychological reaction I guess). He is an odd guy, and has said/done things I strongly disagree with, but he is our president now, and we should all want him to succeed. But the left would never want to admit that he is capable of doing even one ounce of good.
That's interesting.
I have always been an Independent, voted for R's, D's and 3rd parties.
But Trump so vile I find myself moving to the left. I feel no allegiance to the Democratic Party, but I don't see anything about Trump worth supporting. My core values are too strong, I guess, to simply hand them over to that ill-tempered, megalomaniac with a poor vocabulary.
" But Trump is so vile I find myself moving to the left. "
there is the jist of the whole thing ... we in the trump camp can and do substitute two words and it fits our agenda .. " But Hillary is so vile I find myself moving to the right. " ..
OMG!!! Thank you for that! I just spit my breakfast all across my monitor. WoW! Nothing better than a good belly laugh early in the morning. The ultimate in starting the day off right.
I didn't vote for Trump, but I'm disgusted by all the anti-Trump hatred. The knee-jerk reactions, the sheer stupidity, hypocrisy, closed-mindedness, arrogance. UGH. I'm sick of it! For example, I just saw the thread about the nationwide strike to be held on Feb 17, and I'm thinking wtf??? Everyone is supposed to skip work because...????
The more anti-Trump hatred I hear, the more I feel myself wanting to cheer him on and support him. (I don't even understand that about myself---some psychological reaction I guess). He is an odd guy, and has said/done things I strongly disagree with, but he is our president now, and we should all want him to succeed. But the left would never want to admit that he is capable of doing even one ounce of good.
You speak of stupidity, hypocrisy, close-mindedness, and arrogance. Let me let you in on a nonsecret about your candidate and President. The man who says he represents the working man has appointed nothing but Wall Street billionaires to his Cabinet; billionaires who have no experience in government or politics. The man who says he advocates "freedom of religion" is shutting out Muslims by severely restricting Muslim immigration. Whether you like Muslims or not, they constitute a religion and deserve religious freedom just like Christians. And anyone who truly believes these restrictions are "merely temporary" is living in a fantasy land. There is no evidence of that.
The man who says he believes in equality for all citizens is curtailing women's reproductive rights by defunding Planned Parenthood, which is a major source of contraception and prenatal care for women. He is the ultimate example or hypocrisy and is the typical lying politician. I have no hate for Trump voters. I do think they don't understand the man they voted for is corrupt to the core.
there is the jist of the whole thing ... we in the trump camp can and do substitute two words and it fits our agenda .. " But Hillary is so vile I find myself moving to the right. " ..
I know. I'm saying that it's interesting how people see the same things and it moves them in opposite directions.
OMG!!! Thank you for that! I just spit my breakfast all across my monitor. WoW! Nothing better than a good belly laugh early in the morning. The ultimate in starting the day off right.
I'm open minded though. HA ha ha Hee Hoo!!!
I do like to include some humor in my posts. Glad you appreciate that!
But perhaps you would rather us all become so entrenched in our camps that we respond like this:
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Originally Posted by Tall Traveler
They are haters that have declared war on Americans and have to be defeated. Unfortunately there will be casualties when you have to fight Fascist Nationalist Socialist (Demoncrats).
We've had three months of crying, safety pin displaying, safe spacing, Hollywood videotaping, vote recounting, Russian accusing, Democrat obstructing, city destroying, p***y-hat wearing, fake news watching, dissatisfaction with the results of the 2016 election.
My question is for those who voted for someone other than Trump and/or who did not vote in the last election. For those who are NOT wholly invested in hating on Trump. What do you really think about what has been happening across the country?
How do the feel about the response from liberals who loathe Trump, his voters, and everything they stand for? Do you agree with their responses? Support their responses? Think their responses are good or bad for the country (and for the party)?
I guess I'm trying to figure out if there are any liberals on this site who are disgusted with how things are playing out among the people of this country, and who are willing to accept the results of the election and give Trump an honest chance to govern.
Anybody out there?
I cannot stand that fat jackass.
I have never liked him, though. My impression of what sort of leader he'd make has not changed one bit since he got elected. He's only reinforced my prediction that he'd be a terrible president and my bewilderment that people (some of them I even considered to be intelligent humans) honestly thought otherwise.
I'm not a Democrat. I have voted for Republicans in the past, including for President. I have voted for Independents. I have voted for Democrats. I have voted for Libertarians.
I am disgusted, but I'm not willing to just "play nice" with the Trump administration because they have done absolutely NOTHING to make me think I should.
Maybe they need to be the ones to step up, eh?
I'm just one citizen. They're in charge of the country and are really not making a good impression. If this was a first date, I would have already feigned some forgotten task and left the restaurant to go home and eat pizza while watching Netflix or something.
Why is it the job of the citizenry to get behind someone who is screwing up at every turn? Should a president not try to unite the populous?
When Bush Jr won in 2000, he knew he had no mandate and he knew the nation was divided. He spoke TO all the people. He extended that hand and said he wanted to bring us all together again.
Trump won't do it. Too much of a narcissist.
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For example, I just saw the thread about the nationwide strike to be held on Feb 17, and I'm thinking wtf??? Everyone is supposed to skip work because...???? 
