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Accusations of fascism are being thrown around here a lot these days, often inaccurately, so I thought it worthwhile to review what it means. It seems that some posters here apparently weren't paying attention that day back in high school when it was taught....
From Wikipedia:
Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.
So first, does Trump meet this definition? Well he certainly is a bona-fide nationalist and his style is very authoritarian (he acts without consulting his party, his cabinet, or Congress), but truth be told I cannot say that he currently meets the definition. However I think that he has inclinations that way: (1) He expressed contempt for the Constitution when he said during the election he may not accept the result of the election, and (2) Trump's choice of Steve Bannon with his nihilistic view of the US government is despotic if not autocratic.
But when posters here accuse liberals of being fascists, that is an oxymoron. Fascists by definition are not liberal. So stop calling the radical left fascists. The rioters may be anarchists but they definitely are not fascists.
Yes, and the left are communists. The left wants to stop free speech, and assault those that disagree with them.
Even if we believe your biased assessment of Trump, the difference is that Trump is in a government that has strong checks, and balances, and the left are in the streets beating people, including women.
The reality is that Trump doesn't pose any threat to the population, the communists in the streets are destroying everything in their path, and attacking anyone that disagrees with them.
Those of you on the left would be much better served to rein in your people, and find someone with moral character, and intelligence to lead your lost party out of the darkness that you are in.
Yes, and the left are communists. The left wants to stop free speech, and assault those that disagree with them.
I tell you what, I won't accuse the right of being racists and lynchers just because the KKK endorsed Trump if you don't accuse the lest of assaulting people just because some idiots are rioting against Trump. Both are exaggerations.
As to communism - according to Wikipedia, communism is:
...a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state
Now I have not heard the rioters asking for any of the above communist things, nor have I heard any of the recent Democratic candidates advocate any of the above, so why are you calling the left, or the rioters, communists?
Fascism has private businesses strongly regulated by the government. Sounds in line with the Democratic party... .
"An inherent aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigisme, meaning an economy where the government exerts strong directive influence over investment while often subsidizing favorable companies, as opposed to having a merely regulatory role. In general, apart from the nationalizations of many industries, fascist economies were based on private individuals being allowed property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state."
I tell you what, I won't accuse the right of being racists and lynchers just because the KKK endorsed Trump if you don't accuse the lest of assaulting people just because some idiots are rioting against Trump. Both are exaggerations.
As to communism - according to Wikipedia, communism is:
...a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state
Now I have not heard the rioters asking for any of the above communist things, nor have I heard any of the recent Democratic candidates advocate any of the above, so why are you calling the left, or the rioters, communists?
Do your own homework. Seriously. This is a level of willing ignorance that shouldn't be so tolerated on this board. It wastes everyone's time.
It is one-hundred percent certain that these are militant communists. How that can be verified is included in the aforementioned homework that you should do.
Communism is also complex, and its real aims often hidden until you learn more about both the Left and the Right. You aren't going to pull an adequate definition or gain an adequate concept from Wikipedia.
Fascist = today's liberal....there's no difference. Both want the government to control everything especially to shut down freedoms with freedom of speech the most key to stop.
I disagree that fascism is either far-right or far-left; it really exists in its own space. Personally, I associate with fascism with the following basic attributes: authoritarianism, nationalism, scapegoating for the purpose of uniting followers, and human rights abuse.
Accusations of fascism are being thrown around here a lot these days, often inaccurately, so I thought it worthwhile to review what it means. It seems that some posters here apparently weren't paying attention that day back in high school when it was taught....
From Wikipedia:
Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.
So first, does Trump meet this definition? Well he certainly is a bona-fide nationalist and his style is very authoritarian (he acts without consulting his party, his cabinet, or Congress), but truth be told I cannot say that he currently meets the definition. However I think that he has inclinations that way: (1) He expressed contempt for the Constitution when he said during the election he may not accept the result of the election, and (2) Trump's choice of Steve Bannon with his nihilistic view of the US government is despotic if not autocratic.
But when posters here accuse liberals of being fascists, that is an oxymoron. Fascists by definition are not liberal. So stop calling the radical left fascists. The rioters may be anarchists but they definitely are not fascists.
This has been explained to them over and over, and nice to see someone continuing to try and educate them. That said one can only teach those that are capable and want to learn, otherwise you are simply wasting your time.
Should be interesting to see the replies here, that is if they can come up with some more BS definitions, after all bad systems must be connected to the left, right?
Do your own homework. Seriously. This is a level of willing ignorance that shouldn't be so tolerated on this board. It wastes everyone's time.
It is one-hundred percent certain that these are militant communists. How that can be verified is included in the aforementioned homework that you should do.
Communism is also complex, and its real aims often hidden until you learn more about both the Left and the Right. You aren't going to pull an adequate definition or gain an adequate concept from Wikipedia.
Wow, telling someone else to do their homework, and then whining on about communists, a completely different ideology from Fascism. Oh, and to reply to your Off-Topic baloney, they are not communists, if anything they would be a form of Socialists, dang, another term you will need to read up on.
Yes, I agree, not sure why some ignorance is tolerated, but thankfully some authoritarians here have not gotten their way, so far.
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