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Old 02-14-2017, 06:35 PM
 
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Sorry, but the wall is a stupid idea. While I might agree with its goals, its like saying "I wanted my car to be red, so I drove it REALLY fast". Theres some logic to it, but it won't really work.

Mandatory Everify, and pass a law requiring people renting to either be US citizens, or have valid visa's or greencards. Make laws enforcing it have some teeth.

would cost 1/100th of the wall, and be about 100X more effective.
bingo- maybe oh my goodness...pass laws to punish "job creators" for hiring illegals if you feel its a huge problem.....fence or no fence they will come for jobs....personally not bothered by the immigrants, but if its your thing..take away the jobs and they won't come....but heaven forbid Republicans do anything to penalize the job creators....
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:36 PM
 
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Can you imagine what it is 3 years later? Add another 10-20 Billion.
I bet you taxpayers in California alone probably are burdened with more than it would cost to build the actual wall
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:36 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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50 billion bucks to build that puppy and a 100 dollar ladder will get you over it.
Not so much. A .300 Blackout will drop the climber back into Mexico.
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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You forgetting that Germany had 47,000 troops patrolling a 96 mile wall, current boarder patrol agents currently stands at 21,000. Trumps wall would be just over 1,000 miles, with natural barriers like mountains blocking the other 1,000 miles. So to have a Berlin style wall defense, they would need around 450,000 border patrol agents. If you employed non-lethal deterrents like microwave emplacements, I think you could get that wall length to around 300 miles for only the most densely populated areas. Still you looking at a 150k agents to secure that many miles of wall.
450,000 new boarder patrol agents, or how about 450,000 (or 500,000 or 1,000,000) US military? There are nearly 1.5 million active duty US military around the world, plus another 500,000 National Guard and Army Reserves, how about pulling them back to protect OUR borders for a change? They're already being paid so it shouldn't cost anymore to deploy them here than in some third world backwater.
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Japan
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Sorry, but the wall is a stupid idea. While I might agree with its goals, its like saying "I wanted my car to be red, so I drove it REALLY fast". Theres some logic to it, but it won't really work.

Mandatory Everify, and pass a law requiring people renting to either be US citizens, or have valid visa's or greencards. Make laws enforcing it have some teeth.

would cost 1/100th of the wall, and be about 100X more effective.
Yeah, right. As if that kind of thing would get any more support from the left than the wall does... completely disingenuous.
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Japan
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bingo- maybe oh my goodness...pass laws to punish "job creators" for hiring illegals if you feel its a huge problem.....fence or no fence they will come for jobs....personally not bothered by the immigrants, but if its your thing..take away the jobs and they won't come....but heaven forbid Republicans do anything to penalize the job creators....
Sure... You people are incapable of debating this issue honestly.
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:48 PM
 
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How is it we can afford a wall when we can't even give our own citizens healthcare? Let's not believe Trumps hype. The White House is in a scandal now. I'm sure the wall is the last thing they are thinking about..Who do we believe?
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:49 PM
 
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Not so much. A .300 Blackout will drop the climber back into Mexico.
Ha. You really thought that one through the ol' meat grinder. Good luck putting a full time army aiming their guns at the border. How many more billions of bucks you talking now bud? Not to mention the world wide condemnation. Go back to the bunker and eat some more canned dog food.
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The Berlin Wall separated the city of Berlin in Germany from 1961 to 1989.

A wall will keep illegal aliens out.
Is Trump's wall going to have guard towers, a no mans land in between two barriers and guards instructed to shoot people attempting to cross? The Berlin wall wasn't built to keep people out. It was more of a prison and it's purpose was to keep east Berliners in.

Are you sure that's what you want?
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Old 02-14-2017, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Good walls make good neighbors.
But that's not the question.

The question is, will the wall work? And is it cost-effective?
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