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Old 02-03-2017, 06:15 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Federal judge in Seattle puts nationwide halt to Trump

This is what happens when you rush and put out something illegal and unconstitutional. Victory! Long live our courts in the fight against tyranny.
There is nothing illegal and unConstittuional about the "ban." If it was illegal and unConstitutional for Trump, then it was also for Obama. Where was this judge then, when Obama did the exact same thing?
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Old 02-03-2017, 06:18 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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As I've noted in other threads. If Trump actually wants to do things he is going to have to quit being lazy, get his people in place and pass laws.
Some things, like this, do not require laws. They can be done legally by E.O., just as Obama did it, which was exactly the same as Trump's "ban."

Tell the Congressional Democrats to get his people in place. They are the obstructionist Party.
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Old 02-03-2017, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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There is nothing illegal and unConstittuional about the "ban." If it was illegal and unConstitutional for Trump, then it was also for Obama. Where was this judge then, when Obama did the exact same thing?
Alternate truth......Obama did no such thing.
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Old 02-03-2017, 06:19 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Attorney general said "Nobody is above the law, including President Trump"
And Obama? Obama's "ban" was identical.
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Old 02-03-2017, 06:21 PM
 
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There is nothing illegal and unConstittuional about the "ban." If it was illegal and unConstitutional for Trump, then it was also for Obama. Where was this judge then, when Obama did the exact same thing?
Someone has to file a case. Those who care now by and large didn't care when Obama did it.
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Old 02-03-2017, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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And the ACLU just lost on this same issue in Massachusetts using almost the exact same arguments. So, headed to appellate court, likely looking for a stay to the lower court ruling and likely to be granted. Basically, this is not a definitive win by any means. Just a salvo in what will likely become, and quickly, a much larger battle. I'll go ahead and predict now, this effort to stop this ban will ultimately fail because the executive has a lot of latitude in issuance of visas and really only needs to show a rationale (e.g. fear of terrorism).
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Old 02-03-2017, 06:22 PM
 
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Alternate truth......Obama did no such thing.
He absolutely did. In fact, the list of countries, unmentioned in Trump's ban, are the countries that Obama listed in his. You need to educate yourself. You are uninformed.
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Old 02-03-2017, 06:22 PM
 
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Some things, like this, do not require laws. They can be done legally by E.O., just as Obama did it, which was exactly the same as Trump's "ban."

Tell the Congressional Democrats to get his people in place. They are the obstructionist Party.
I don't care either way so I have no reason to tell them anything.
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Old 02-03-2017, 06:24 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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And the ACLU just lost on this same issue in Massachusetts using almost the exact same arguments. So, headed to appellate court, likely looking for a stay to the lower court ruling and likely to be granted. Basically, this is not a definitive win by any means. Just a salvo in what will likely become, and quickly, a much larger battle. I'll go ahead and predict now, this effort to stop this ban will ultimately fail because the executive has a lot of latitude in issuance of visas and really only needs to show a rationale (e.g. fear of terrorism).
The United States has the right to decide who is admitted into this country. We do not have "open borders." We can ban whoever we want.
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Old 02-03-2017, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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The United States has the right to decide who is admitted into this country. We do not have "open borders." We can ban whoever we want.
And I suspect most judges would agree with it, as did the Massachusetts judge (a liberal judge ironically). This isn't even a difficult jurist decision as previous court cases have already set precedence. So, this Seattle judge? One off which will be easily overturned.
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