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Old 02-05-2017, 07:59 AM
 
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What do people think about this recent vote?

House votes to overturn Obama gun rule | TheHill

 
Old 02-05-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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Hmm, nothing can go wrong?
 
Old 02-05-2017, 08:08 AM
 
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I think it depends if they're a risk to themselves or anyone else.

Not all mentally ill people are dangerous.
 
Old 02-05-2017, 08:12 AM
 
Location: United States
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I don't know if these people are mentally ill.

Isn't for a doctor to determine, and not some government bureaucrat?
 
Old 02-05-2017, 08:13 AM
 
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Noooooo, READ the f'n bill!

It gives back rights to NON-violent, "mentally ill" people. People who have disorders like anxiety, anorexia, bulimia, OCD, hoarding, etc.

This was a MAJOR gun-grab where the government used a scarlet letter to prevent many, many peoeol from excercising their rights. This was especially impacting to veterans - who after defending our country with GUNS - came home and had their 2nd amendment rights taken away b/c they had anxiety, sleep disorders, etc.
 
Old 02-05-2017, 08:14 AM
 
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What do people think about this recent vote?

House votes to overturn Obama gun rule | TheHill
I agree, the original idea is ok but the method was very flawed. Let me put it to you this way, the way it was written was that if someone could not handle their own affairs financially then they were denied the 2nd A rights, how many people do you know that fall into that category, people that are not mentally ill, nor or they stupid, they simply are terrible with managing things such as finances, something that would include a Huge number of Americans.
Write a Bill that includes Due Process and we can talk, because yes there are some people that are mentally ill and should not have access to firearms, but why they are not in an institution is beyond me.
 
Old 02-05-2017, 08:15 AM
 
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Hoping universal mental health care gets passed. Programs to assist in making medications affordable. Busting up pharmaceutical monopolies and tearing down patents. Legalizing marijuana and adding an excess tax on it to help fund mental health services. Create a federal department of Mental Health and Substance services. Less red tape with psychiatric medication. Release federal money to States to improve mental health care. Improve VA care. Work towards ending homeless by initiative to building temporary homes or converting empty buildings to shelters. More rehabilitation less prison time for substance users. Safe zones for substance users to get high.

That's what I am hoping happens with mental health I'm the US.
 
Old 02-05-2017, 08:16 AM
 
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Does the Constitution grant a right to privacy where our health care is concerned or not? This is the argument used to defend a Constitutional right to abortion.

If it does, then it does. It doesn't only when you want it to or not want it to.

It is something we should address in a national discussion but if we determine it's something we should do it can not be done by simple presidential decree. It will take a Constitutional Amendment.
 
Old 02-05-2017, 08:17 AM
 
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I think it depends if they're a risk to themselves or anyone else.

Not all mentally ill people are dangerous.
So you are ok with someone that is clinically diagnosed as mentally ill, to own and posses firearms? I'm at a loss for an argument / counterpoint, because this POV is ... indefensible ?

The statement / question pretty much answers itself.
 
Old 02-05-2017, 08:18 AM
 
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Hmm, nothing can go wrong?
Nothing more than our ignoring the dismal state of our mental healthcare industry has not already resulted in. We cannot keep sweeping the issue under the rug, either we deal with it or there will continue to be more outbursts, almost every mass shooting in the Nation is related to some sort of mental health problem, in other words address the actual problem.
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