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I know people from Ukraine and Russia including those living in Crimea. People from Crimea support being part of Russia. In similar numbers as Crimean population voted overwhelmingly being re-united with Russia.
Please note that Crimea was part of Russia until 1954 with predominantly Russia population. No wonder that they wanted to get back to Russia where they belong.historically and ethnically.
I know people from Ukraine and Russia including those living in Crimea. People from Crimea support being part of Russia. In similar numbers as Crimean population voted overwhelmingly being re-united with Russia.
Please note that Crimea was part of Russia until 1954 with predominantly Russia population. No wonder that they wanted to get back to Russia where they belong.historically and ethnically.
that is the kind of argument the US would make if Russia were a minion of the US. It is never about facts or what the people want. It is always about what is better for the US.
Crimea is strategically important. The fact that the US didn't want Russia to have it is more out of concern of Russia's military strenth than Ukraine's sovereignty.
So this is your justification for praise of Vladimir Putin? It is so interesting watching the contortions of conservatives as they continue to show servile allegiance to their dear leader.
Praise? Saying I respect him as he's the leader of Russia? Is it "praising him" to say "I don't know if I'll get along with him, I'd like to get along with him so we can work together to defeat ISIS"?
Wow, I must have missed that definition somewhere. Must be the "new" dictionary...
I have to laugh at the hyprocrisy. Jingoism is rampant in Republican party, so at least their reaction is in character. But all the outrage from Democratic party, whose members once upon a time wanted to try George W. Bush for war crimes, is something else to behold.
Folks, at least give Trump credit for having the guts to speak the truth. And no, he's not defending Putin in anyway, he was saying the United States of America has no moral high ground when it comes to killing since we've got blood on our hands too. But hey, keep believing your fantasy of America who can do no wrong if that would make you sleep better at night.
No, it's "America can do no wrong as long as a Democrat or a Socialist is in charge", otherwise it's constantly wrong, a hateful,bigoted,racist,murderous country etc etc etc as evidenced by all the protests when Bush was in office.
Constant protests about how horrible America was until Obama (the savior) took over, boy how times change...
To what end? Just to make some feel better about themselves?
Really? How about to prove to the world and to Putin that Trump is just more than Putin's PUPPET.
I see some Trump lovers on here will defend him at every opportunity; but the Republicans on the Hill were not so eager this week-end.
Even O'Reilly looked surprised. He threw the man a softball and he can't give a decent answer.
Trump has been all over the place with his policies, ideas, etc with ONE exception. His constant and unwavering praise for Russia.
People are wondering what in hell.
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Maybe people like you should educate yourselves before opening their mouths. It's better you to do the research yourself and arrive at a conclusion than listening to others. Especially on this subject.
Keep in mind that there are people here who are not ignorant of the subject.
Well, do educate us all then because none of us had any idea that we have been diddling in other countries.
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Well said. America is not what it's supposed to be.
And it will NEVER be under a megalomaniac like Trump.
I know people from Ukraine and Russia including those living in Crimea. People from Crimea support being part of Russia. In similar numbers as Crimean population voted overwhelmingly (96% in favor) for being re-united with Russia.
Please note that Crimea was part of Russia until 1954. It has predominantly Russian population. No wonder that they wanted to get back to Russia they belong historically and ethnically.
My relatives are also of Russian ethnicity. But they are patriotic Ukrainian-Americans. Many of my Ukrainian friends are of Russian ancestry - but they love their country, and their country is not Russia, no matter if it was great grandpapa's country. They are Ukrainians.
I'm partly French - should my loyalties be to France, over the United States, because my ancestors lived there over 300 years ago? Don't think so (especially since the French drove them and other Huguenots out - yes, I descend from refugees!).
Ethnicity is not the issue here - a foreign country illegally annexing part of a separate, independent country is what happened, as most know very well.
That "election" in Crimea was rigged - they didn't even make an effort at concealment. It was a cynical exercise in which many, many Crimeans refused to participate.
Hold a valid election, without glass ballot boxes and with appropriate non--partisan supervision, and if Crimea then wants to be part of Russia, you might have a case. To date, no such case has been made.
Don't forget those "little green men" who magically and insidiously appeared throughout Crimea during the early days of the Maidan, to intimidate, bully and threaten the population. They wore camouflage and army green - with no insignias, contrary to the rules of war. Of course, they were thinly and cynically "disguised" Russian soldiers and sailors.
Don't forget that Crimean school children now are forced to speak only Russian in school and can no longer study Ukrainian. Don't forget that text books were changed to those reflecting the Russian "viewpoint", a very distorted viewpoint, and that Ukrainian history is no longer taught. Don't forget that children are being turned against their Ukrainian patriot parents.
The Crimean economy is trashed, not because of infrastructure damage such as eastern Ukraine suffered - the Russians were a bit too clever for that - but because the tourist industry in this balmy peninsula is no longer viable, and the handful of Russian vacationers can not make up for the loss of European and Ukrainian vacationers, who now are banned or discouraged from visiting.
Families have been separated, of course. I know a young American mother whose husband is Crimean/Ukrainian - she and their baby girl managed to get out when the occupation first began; he is still trying to leave. Of course, right now, he's not able to immigrate anyway, thanks to Trump, green card or no green card, refugee (and he would qualify as a refugee, by any and all counts) status be damned.
Ask this young family how they feel about Trump and Putin and their ilk.
So don't try to convince me that democratic elections were held in Crimea, and that those loyal folks of Russian ancestry are just delighted to be back with the Old Country once again. Learn the truth, and quit spreading Russian propaganda.
When Khrushchev gave Russian Crimea to Ukraine he did it at his own will. No wonder that Crimean people decided to correct what was imposed on them. Most of population in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea speak Russian, as opposed to Ukrainian. Even native Ukrainians in those regions speak predominantly Russian understandably so ... there is just 15% native Ukrainians in Crimea.
Really? How about to prove to the world and to Putin that Trump is just more than Putin's PUPPET.
I see some Trump lovers on here will defend him at every opportunity; but the Republicans on the Hill were not so eager this week-end.
Even O'Reilly looked surprised. He threw the man a softball and he can't give a decent answer.
Trump has been all over the place with his policies, ideas, etc with ONE exception. His constant and unwavering praise for Russia.
People are wondering what in hell.
He didn't 'praise' Russia. He was honest in admitting our country's contributions to mass killings in the world, so it's his way of saying 'who are we to judge?". But of course you choose to interpret it as 'defending Russia'. Nobody is defending anyone. You're the one who's hell bent on defending your anti-Trump view, even when the truth is staring you in the face.
When Khrushchev gave Russian Crimea to Ukraine he did it at his own will. No wonder that Crimean people decided to correct what was imposed on them. Most of population in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea speak Russian, as opposed to Ukrainian. Even native Ukrainians in those regions speak predominantly Russian understandably so ... there is just 15% native Ukrainians in Crimea.
Just to add - the transfer was against the constitution at the time, so it was changed (in several days, talk about efficiency!) after the decree.
But yeah, you can have a lot of votes there, and under different conditions, the final result will always be the same, that's just reality.
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Must be the "new" dictionary...
