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A human life vs. a stack of diapers. Yeah. Tough decision.
That is not the scenario that is displayed in the article.
How about several criminals threatening two innocent people? That is what the news report describes
I'm making presumptions here. I doubt there is a big underground need for diapers.
You would presume wrong. There is a booming black market in poor neighborhoods for expensive consumable household necessities like diapers, baby formula, and laundry detergent. These items are much easier for thieves to liquidate (at a substantial discount from the store price) than electronics, jewelry, and other non-necessities.
If it was me, I'm letting the jerk run off with the diapers. Sorry - I'm not going to risk my life to save Wal Mart's profits. At the same time I don't have much concern for the guy who lost his life -- that is the risk you take, when crime is how you earn your living.
Yea that was basically my take as well.
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Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer
I was in a local liquor store getting some beer after work years ago. The owner was at the counter behind me and some guy was ahead of me in line. He asked for something further down and when she (clerk) went down the aisle this guy ran for the door with two twelvers. The owner took out a revolver and emptied it at the guy and missed 6 times.
As I stood there in disbelief the guy apologized to me and said he'd had enough. The cops didn't do anything when called and he was sick of it.
I know for certain some will praise this guy as a 'hero' and that those criminals deserved to die.
My question is, why did that employee decide to try and be a 'hero' and make things worse? Clearly he made the situation worse, by not calling the police and letting them sort it out. The other customer is lucky no innocent bystanders got hurt. And isn't it store policy NOT to engage with shoplifters like this?
It reminds me of that incident in a Texas mall. A couple of jewelry thieves were making their way out of the store, when a customer decides to be a 'hero' and pull out his gun and confront them. An innocent bystander was hurt from the gunfire. All of it preventable.
This is pretty sketchy sounding. As a concealed carrier, my ultimate goal is to never insert myself into a situation. This guy was just asking for trouble. It sucks someone was stealing from a store, but it's really none of my business. That's between the store clerk/owner and the thief.
Now if the concealed carrier was on his way out of the store and was harassed and attacked by the thieves, that's a different story.
Still, I don't think the thieves are going to get any sympathy from the police or legal system.
This is pretty sketchy sounding. As a concealed carrier, my ultimate goal is to never insert myself into a situation. This guy was just asking for trouble. It sucks someone was stealing from a store, but it's really none of my business. That's between the store clerk/owner and the thief.
Now if the concealed carrier was on his way out of the store and was harassed and attacked by the thieves, that's a different story.
Still, I don't think the thieves are going to get any sympathy from the police or legal system.
Simple and logical: Do anything and everything in your power to avoid any physical altercations. If you have to fight, fight to kill. If you aren't willing to kill, it probably isn't an appropriate situation to be fighting in the first place.
And that applies if you are carrying a weapon or not.
This is pretty sketchy sounding. As a concealed carrier, my ultimate goal is to never insert myself into a situation. This guy was just asking for trouble. It sucks someone was stealing from a store, but it's really none of my business. That's between the store clerk/owner and the thief.
This was my first thought as well. However if the shooter viewed the clerk's situation as dangerous, then Alter Ego or 3rd person defense comes into play under section 776.012 of Florida statutes.
I was in a local liquor store getting some beer after work years ago. The owner was at the counter behind me and some guy was ahead of me in line. He asked for something further down and when she (clerk) went down the aisle this guy ran for the door with two twelvers. The owner took out a revolver and emptied it at the guy and missed 6 times.
As I stood there in disbelief the guy apologized to me and said he'd had enough. The cops didn't do anything when called and he was sick of it.
I never went back.
When I was in my mid 20s, the shop I worked in had a McDonalds right behind. One day, a woman wandered into the area, just aimless, walking around with no specific reason. Then,she walked up to the front windows of McDonalds and put five rounds from a 38 snubby through the glass. I was out at my truck in our parking area and saw the whole thing. I grabbed my pistol from under my seat, and went to red alert. I was only about 15-20 yards away with nothing in between.
I yelled for her to drop the weapon , and put her hands up. She just looked at me with this beatific smile and stood there, putting her hands in the front pouch of her sweat jacket,( where the gun was) and stood there. She then just let me approach and I took the gun, which was empty, and I backed off shaking like a dog s****ing peach seeds. I could have easily as shot her when she put her hands in her sweat jacket pouch, something told me not to. The cops were only minutes in getting there and the damn newsies weren't far behind.
Turns out she was a just released mental patient, cut loose from Galletie only scant hours before. Totally out of her gourd and had zero clue as to what she had done. No idea where she got the gun. Some customers and one of the restaurant managers restrained her,(though she didn't resist at all) and the cops put her in custody. They asked me why I didn't shoot her, I couldn't answer to that. I could have, maybe I should have...but I didn't and I didn't need to. I'm thankful to this day that I didn't. I still don't truly understand why. There was just something that didn't sit right, and I had got a look at her gun, I mentally ticked off five rounds when she opened up, and knew she was (probably) empty and hadn't tried to reload.
If she had actually pulled out the gun when she went to her pocket I probably would have shot her. But she didn't. I didn't see or feel a real threat. It was truly very weird. This was around 88-89. I was a very different person back then. Not near as restrained and in control of myself as I am now. So the guy in the story at issue here felt he needed to use his gun. Had I been in his shoes I may have done the same. Something told him to defend himself. I can't and won't argue with instinct. It tells us many things. His told him he was in anger of serious harm. And he listened to it. I know how that feels.
This is pretty sketchy sounding. As a concealed carrier, my ultimate goal is to never insert myself into a situation. This guy was just asking for trouble. It sucks someone was stealing from a store, but it's really none of my business. That's between the store clerk/owner and the thief.
Now if the concealed carrier was on his way out of the store and was harassed and attacked by the thieves, that's a different story.
Still, I don't think the thieves are going to get any sympathy from the police or legal system.
But it is your business. The more that is stolen from your favorite stores; the more you pay for those items - somebody always pays. It isn't only that; but the day is coming where you never get to see the products you want to buy. Many businesses are now out of business or going out of business because of increased operating cost and the up and coming online competition.
I personally like to see what I am buying. I like to look at the product and make a judgement on it's worth. It is a pain to return items that do not meet my expectations. On the other hand many are willing to buy sight unseen from the sales numbers. I have to wonder where the 'smash and grab' crowds will go when there are no stores to smash and grab from?
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