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Old 02-07-2017, 06:37 AM
 
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You're intellectually dishonest and have zero credibility. Any time you mention that the democrats ran the civil war and Jim Crow South as evidence that they're on the wrong side of issues of race, you're tacitly admitting that you have no intention of discussing race, as it relates to politics, in earnest.
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Old 02-07-2017, 06:43 AM
 
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You're intellectually dishonest and have zero credibility. Any time you mention that the democrats ran the civil war and Jim Crow South as evidence that they're on the wrong side of issues of race, you're tacitly admitting that you have no intention of discussing race, as it relates to politics, in earnest.
Obviously, I agree. People get attached to labels. In speaking of political history, "Republican" and "Democrat" are two of the worse labels you can use.

For instance, Texas was solidly 'Democrat' up to the 1980s. Texas did not suddenly become 'conservative' whereas they were formerly 'liberal', but have stayed conservative. The parties essentially switched. I think it was Senator Phil Gramm, a Democrat, that vacated his Senate seat (for Texas) and then ran as a Republican, saying the Democratic party no longer represented his conservative beliefs.

It was interesting, in the Old Days. You had 'liberal' northeast Republicans (Rockefeller is one name that springs to mind), 'conservative' southern Democrats, etc.
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Old 02-07-2017, 06:51 AM
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Obviously, I agree. People get attached to labels. In speaking of political history, "Republican" and "Democrat" are two of the worse labels you can use.

For instance, Texas was solidly 'Democrat' up to the 1980s. Texas did not suddenly become 'conservative' whereas they were formerly 'liberal', but have stayed conservative. The parties essentially switched. I think it was Senator Phil Gramm, a Democrat, that vacated his Senate seat (for Texas) and then ran as a Republican, saying the Democratic party no longer represented his conservative beliefs.

It was interesting, in the Old Days. You had 'liberal' northeast Republicans (Rockefeller is one name that springs to mind), 'conservative' southern Democrats, etc.
Love this post. Wish I could rate more than once. It's the reason I don't associate with any party. I vote based on my own personal views at the time of election. Both parties have become far too radical for my liking. It's like two gangs right now. NO thanks!
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:49 AM
 
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It wasn't just the 60s. That wasn't even the most recent examples. In the 1990s, Bill Clinton sold the Democratic party to neoliberalism, the same corporate shill philosophy the Republican party had been using for that 16 year period they had a monopoly on the white house and damn near monopoly on voters too. Clinton needed it to compete. He also was committed to interest politics, something the Democratic party almost exclusively did in this election, which likely cost them a win they otherwise would have easily had.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:27 AM
 
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People making arguments along these lines is a sure sign that they are either:

Dishonest

or

Idiots
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:26 AM
 
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This is why I don't buy that "Party of Lincoln" stuff. This is why I don't fall for those talking points used to get Blacks to vote Republican. This is why I understand why relatively few Blacks vote Republican. Truth is, Blacks are put last by both parties. However, today's Democrats are more likely to take up the mantle of civil rights than today's Republicans(notice I said "today's" Republicans).

Republican Party & Black Voters -- How GOP Can Win Over African Americans | National Review

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Old 02-07-2017, 12:10 PM
 
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This is why I don't buy that "Party of Lincoln" stuff. This is why I don't fall for those talking points used to get Blacks to vote Republican. This is why I understand why relatively few Blacks vote Republican. Truth is, Blacks are put last by both parties. However, today's Democrats are more likely to take up the mantle of civil rights than today's Republicans(notice I said "today's" Republicans).

Republican Party & Black Voters -- How GOP Can Win Over African Americans | National Review

| National Review
Bolded for emphasis. What would be an example of that
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