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Old 02-07-2017, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Brew City
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I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. Good thing we have judges for these types of questions.
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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that's not true as the constitution has no bearing on non-citizens.

additionally, the ban is based on countries, not religion.
The first amendment proscribes congress from making any law respecting the establishment of a religion. It has nothing to do with citizenship whatsoever. It is about Congress. The law can not be interpreted as allowing a religious test for immigration, visas etc. This is why Trump is so careful to argue that it is about nations not religion. That, of course, runs afoul of the the 1965 immigration act. So let's let the courts work this out.
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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The first amendment proscribes congress from making any law respecting the establishment of a religion. It has nothing to do with citizenship whatsoever. It is about Congress. The law can not be interpreted as allowing a religious test for immigration, visas etc. This is why Trump is so careful to argue that it is about nations not religion. That, of course, runs afoul of the the 1965 immigration act. So let's let the courts work this out.
Congress didn't make this law. lmao.
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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Why would it even be a constitution issue since it's not done on American soil
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:35 AM
 
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no, they don't.

Illegals, visa holders, green card holders, and refugees and any resident that is NOT a legal citizen can be expelled - otherwise, we are a powerless, borderless, and non-sovereign nation.
If they are inside the US jurisdiction, they enjoy the full protection of the constitution.

Yes, they can be expelled but the government must go through the court to do so, which is called "due process."

This has been ruled a long time ago.

14th Amendment declares “nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” Note it says "person" not citizen.
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Not unconstitutional. Just not wise as it invites fury and criticism from all directions and looks awfully discriminatory. The sooner that the Trump Administration can renew the flow of travel between those seven countries and the USA, the better it will be for them.
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:37 AM
 
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If they are inside the US jurisdiction, they enjoy the full protection of the constitution.

Yes, they can be expelled but the government must go through the court to do so, which is called "due process."
Yes, but you can't do that to a citizen so no, they do NOT get the FULL protections that citizens do.
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Can someone please explain to me about that one. Isis is totally up front of what their going to do.
I believe you have to be totally brainwashed to believe something like that.
Speaking of brainwashed you are arguing for extreme vetting without even knowing Trumps specific proposals. I don't think anyone is against more rigid and sensible policies for immigration and the Visa program in particular could probably use some changes but that's not what he just did. I don't however know how you would improve the 20 step program already in place for vetting refugees.


He disrupted peoples lives by creating unnecessary drama that lacks a specific reason. Trump comes up with these terms like "Extreme Vetting" and everyone just loves the idea, problem is no one knows what it entails just that we need more.
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:38 AM
 
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Not unconstitutional. Just not wise as it invites fury and criticism from all directions and looks awfully discriminatory. The sooner that the Trump Administration can renew the flow of travel between those seven countries and the USA, the better it will be for them.
lmao..Who cares what it LOOKS like. Let's deal with reality for a change and not this utopian imaginary made up world that has been hoisted upon us the last decade or so.
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:40 AM
 
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Speaking of brainwashed you are arguing for extreme vetting without even knowing Trumps specific proposals. I don't think anyone is against more rigid and sensible policies for immigration and the Visa program in particular could probably use some changes but that's not what he just did. I don't however know how you would improve the 20 step program already in place for vetting refugees.


He disrupted peoples lives by creating unnecessary drama that lacks a specific reason. Trump comes up with these terms like "Extreme Vetting" and everyone just loves the idea, problem is no one knows what it entails just that we need more.
And here you are BASHING it without knowing what it actually entails. Take your own advice.
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