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Old 02-08-2017, 10:42 AM
 
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Immigration is Federal authority. Remember when Arizona tried immigration laws? Also, CA and those NW sissy states better be careful here. MJ is still federally illegal, I'd hate to see those states get raided and politicians/dispensary owners locked up
Correct and as such it is their responsibility to enforce the Federal laws on immigration, not local law enforcement. It would be the dumbest thing the Feds could do, overriding the will of the majority of people in a State, thought righties were all States Rights and such, I guess that is only when it is something they agree on.
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:45 AM
 
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Correct and as such it is their responsibility to enforce the Federal laws on immigration, not local law enforcement. It would be the dumbest thing the Feds could do, overriding the will of the majority of people in a State, thought righties were all States Rights and such, I guess that is only when it is something they agree on.
The Feds could go in anytime they want an apprehend an illegal if they wish to. States have NO right to protect criminals especially when it's a federal thing to begin with. NONE. The people of the state have no say, they can cry and stomp their feet all they want, they will just be losing whiners in the end.
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:47 AM
 
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True, but that doesn't include being forced to enforce federal immigration law via a lack of cooperation with the Feds.
Yes, but it does not protect them from actively working against federal laws, which these cities who purposefully mandate such orders are commanding of their officers. They are as a matter of ACTIVE intent telling their officers to obstruct federal law.

This is different than a failure to apply federal law.
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:49 AM
 
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Most of you have the chain of command right but forget one thing.

You know all those drunk driving, seatbelt and enhanced speeding and reckless/aggressive driving enforcement campaigns throughout the year? If you pay attention they're all about the same time through the entire country.

They're all paid for with federal funding to cover the overtime. Take that away and you'll see most of the locals snap to. Especially because a lot of local and state governments use that money to internally balance their General Fund budgets.
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:57 AM
 
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Most of you have the chain of command right but forget one thing.

You know all those drunk driving, seatbelt and enhanced speeding and reckless/aggressive driving enforcement campaigns throughout the year? If you pay attention they're all about the same time through the entire country.

They're all paid for with federal funding to cover the overtime. Take that away and you'll see most of the locals snap to. Especially because a lot of local and state governments use that money to internally balance their General Fund budgets.
There is one more GIGANTIC thing for these sanctuary loving states to really worry about. As I've stated before, many of these states legalized pot, it's still illegal at the Federal level and they can be raided and jailed at any time the Feds wish. They need to put THAT in their pipe and smoke it.
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Old 02-08-2017, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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The federal goverment cannot force the states to actively enforce federal law. This anti commandeering principle has been solidly established by the Supreme Court via the Tenth Amendment. Now, it's another thing if the states are actively flouting federal law by, as an example, segregating schools based on race. But that's entirely different from states stating that they will not actively enforce federal immigration law; in such a case, the states would merely be made to stop actively flouting federal law (but "doing nothing" to enforce the law is far different from actively flouting the law). The states are not tools of the federal government. Of course, the federal government can withdraw funds from do nothing states, but even here only so long as the effect isn't to coerce the states into enforcing federal law.

The federal goverment cannot force the states to actively enforce federal law.

This is correct nor do they have the "information" needed to make any arrests- so they would be profiling- the city wants to lose millions in law suits be my guest. and arresting illegals to process does not come cheap either - so cities be ready fork out some $$
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Old 02-08-2017, 11:13 AM
 
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True, but that doesn't include being forced to enforce federal immigration law via a lack of cooperation with the Feds.
Get ready to lose your access to Federal FBI databases if you don't want to play ball.
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Old 02-08-2017, 11:14 AM
 
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Get ready to lose your access to Federal FBI databases if you don't want to play ball.
Double edged sword there buddy.
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Old 02-08-2017, 11:16 AM
 
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No such thing- they are doing what they have always done- crime committed- not sure of status - call ICE- but to be forced to go chase illegals- not happening for many reasons-
but the command from the top is simply ignored-- as one said- Feds and Pot - IGNORE-- GUN laws-- Ignore!- Oklahoma House voted overwhelmingly to invalidate the ACA- IGNORE-- That process is known as nullification- happens all the time
They are being told not to contact ICE.

As for your examples...

1. Gun laws (federal government has no purview as per the 2nd, period)

2. Pot (federal government has no authority over such within the state, period)

3. ACA (federal government has no authority to dictate individuals or states provide health care)

Immigration is however absolutely within the bounds of federal government, clearly and unarguably.

Progressives AGAIN show how they do not know their head from their arse concerning the Constitution.
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Old 02-08-2017, 11:18 AM
 
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The mayor of a sanctuary city tells the police NOT to inquire about a person's immigration status. But President Trump tells the police, yes you need to find the illegal aliens and turn in the ones that have committed a crime.

What are the police supposed to do? Discuss.
Technically speaking from the Mayor down when they take a oath of off they must enforce all laws. Technically these same Mayors and Sheriffs can be removed from office.
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