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Old 02-08-2017, 02:45 PM
 
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Why Chester Cheetah himself of course, because in the infamous words of Judge Dredd... "I am the lawwwr" lol ��
Wrong. POTUS has the authority granted by law to restrict or stop immigration if he believes it would be detrimental to the US.

Black letter law.

The stay will be lifted.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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(f) Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
1. There is no evidence that blocking persons from these countries is 'detrimental to the interests of the United States'

2. He has provided no evidence stating how restricting entry in this case is appropriate.

No known threats, no evidence of forthcoming terrorists acts, no intelligence warning of danger-THIS IS 100% POLITICS.

And he has himself to blame for people accusing him of religious bigotry because HE talked about banning Muslims the entire election.

So here we are.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Wrong. POTUS has the authority granted by law to restrict or stop immigration if he believes it would be detrimental to the US.

Black letter law.

The stay will be lifted.
Not if the judges rule that his EO negatively impacted the lives of Washingtonians, which is what the case is about.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:58 PM
 
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Not if the judges rule that his EO negatively impacted the lives of Washingtonians, which is what the case is about.
Going by that logic, all it would take is one state pointing out that a company in their state was harmed by not allowing for their newest technology to be sold to a foreign power to overturn any banned international technology sales.
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Old 02-08-2017, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Going by that logic, all it would take is one state pointing out that a company in their state was harmed by not allowing for their newest technology to be sold to a foreign power to overturn any banned international technology sales.
Yeah whatever false equivalency makes u feel better.

The State of Washington is saying that families, careers, educations etc are being unfairly disrupted by this sweeping EO and the judge in the district court agreed.

We are talking about people who already reside here legally.

Now the 9th circuit is hearing the appeal.
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Old 02-08-2017, 03:13 PM
 
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Yeah whatever false equivalency makes u feel better.

The State of Washington is saying that families, careers, educations etc are being unfairly disrupted by this sweeping EO and the judge in the district court agreed.

We are talking about people who already reside here legally.

Now the 9th circuit is hearing the appeal.
Permanent residents were excluded from the ban.

Here is the list:


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...oups.html?_r=0
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Old 02-08-2017, 03:23 PM
 
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Yes, I believe 8 USC 1182(f) is very clear. the President has the authority to do exactly what he did: Issue a Proclamation suspending the entry of a certain group or class of aliens.


As for the Constitutionality of said Proclamation, I am still waiting for someone smarter than I am to tell me exactly what Article, Section, and Paragraph of the Constitution the President violated.
The Seattle District Judge did not even look at the "Constitutionality" of the E.O. The Judge is fully aware that it is Constitutional and follows the LAWS that Congress has passed. Seattle ruled that the State of Washington had Standing to shut down the E.O of the President of the United States ...... because they don't like it.

None of it has to do with the Obama temporary ban, none of it has to do with how many (or few) Refugees and non-Citizen Visa holders have broken our laws, been arrested or attempted Terrorist acts (which have happened over 70 times) - the President doesn't have to "prove" anything, he has the Authority under the Laws passed by Congress since 1952 - control the rate of Immigration and call a "pause" whenever he thinks it's necessary.

The Seattle Judge believes that HE and the State of Washington State can over-turn the President without even discussing the words in the E.O. They use the 'news' articles they have read as "proof" instead of the Executive Order.
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