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Old 03-02-2017, 09:18 PM
 
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Thats a mistake. You are listening about the nonsense from the right about them. Don't. 538 gave Trump a 1 in 3 chance to win based on the polls. That doesn't suddenly mean that Trump loses. It means on a six sided die, if you roll a 1 or 2 Trump wins. We rolled it that way, and he won. And that was based on polls.
Yes, probabilities are important in understanding how predictions work.

Also, an approval poll is not the same thing as a national electoral college outcome prediction.
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Old 03-02-2017, 09:20 PM
 
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Thats a mistake. You are listening about the nonsense from the right about them. Don't. 538 gave Trump a 1 in 3 chance to win based on the polls. That doesn't suddenly mean that Trump loses. It means on a six sided die, if you roll a 1 or 2 Trump wins. We rolled it that way, and he won. And that was based on polls.
They had a Hillary win at 66% which should at least mean a tight race. Trump won handily by 77 EC votes. They were way off.

Believe the polls if you want, but I've learned better.
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Old 03-02-2017, 09:22 PM
 
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Take a look at the average of all polls out there. His avg approval rating is 43.7 while disapprovalis 49.9 if you average all polls. Rasmussen is the highest of them all. Hm, I wonder why?

Are you telling me that Rasmussen isn't biased OR perhaps the others are showing "alternative" numbers?

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval
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Old 03-02-2017, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Slightly above 40% on gallup: Gallup Daily: Trump Job Approval | Gallup


Not bad for a white guy.
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Old 03-02-2017, 09:25 PM
 
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While this poll originated with a liberal organization, the information is geared more to the independent voter who might have voted Trump this time vs Obama in 2012...
Not that the lowest rating is 33% support in one state and that likely represents the base support that Trump has in most states...
Many of the state's with higher numbers--meaning they are more leery of Trump's cabinet picks--have larger democratic % over GOP anyway...
I think it is more about any upcoming special elections and the 2018 ability to win more Dem seats...

https://origin-nyi.thehill.com/homen...rned-by-trumps
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Old 03-02-2017, 09:26 PM
 
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They had a Hillary win at 66% which should at least mean a tight race. Trump won handily by 77 EC votes. They were way off.

Believe the polls if you want, but I've learned better.
Actually that win is in the bottom quarter for ratios. Seriously. You haven't learned better apparently as you were unaware of that. a 77EC win is below average for winning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...College_margin
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Old 03-02-2017, 09:32 PM
 
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Rassmussen polls always lean right. Other polls from this week have him at 43% (Gallup) and 45% (Economist/YouGov).

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval
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Old 03-02-2017, 09:52 PM
 
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Take a look at the average of all polls out there. His avg approval rating is 43.7 while disapprovalis 49.9 if you average all polls. Rasmussen is the highest of them all. Hm, I wonder why?

Are you telling me that Rasmussen isn't biased OR perhaps the others are showing "alternative" numbers?

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval



The RCP average can be useful for following trends over time as long as you don't take any single poll too seriously or assume outliers are valid without a specific reason for them being at odds with other polls.


The Rasmussen poll is the highest, but they only count "likely voters", and since Trump won the election, it is reasonable to believe likely voters, the people who actually vote, have a favorable view of him.


Quinnipiac, the lowest, counts only registered voters, but they are an outlier even among the four polls listed that count only registered voters, so there is no reason to take this poll seriously.


The other "registered voters" polls rate Trump's job approval at 41%, 45% and 45%, so the real number is likely somewhere in the mid-40s for this group.
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Old 03-02-2017, 09:58 PM
 
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Actually that win is in the bottom quarter for ratios. Seriously. You haven't learned better apparently as you were unaware of that. a 77EC win is below average for winning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...College_margin
Try to spin it as you like, but the polls were wrong.
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Old 03-02-2017, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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This is one of the things that is helping President Trump...

A recent political research report has revealed that majority of the voters in the country are not happy with the Democratic Party’s constant actions against President Donald Trump. For them, it would be better for the entire country and for the party itself to cooperate with Trump.

These counter-productive efforts by the Democrats need to stop. As stated in the study, about 63 percent of the surveyed voters strongly believe that the country and the Democrats would be better off if the liberal political party would stop their anti-Trump efforts and just work with the president.

The results from the study should be viewed as important indicators in molding today’s political environment. Trump is actually an effective leader and that he’s only looking out for what’s best for the country.

Majority of Voters Sick of Democrats
With the name of the newspaper the -"Goldwater" giving that story... too funny. Too biased - looking at the multitude of protesters going loud against trump- I do not think so.. The trumpetes are tired of it, and say so on here daily..
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