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Old 02-09-2017, 04:01 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Citation?
From the very GOP friendly LA Times:roll eyes:


High deportation figures are misleading - LA Times



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Old 02-09-2017, 04:03 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Revolution? I merely said that the wall is unpopular with those in the Senate because it will be expensive. And once the American people realize that we're paying for it, support for it will drop quickly. I have serious doubts that it will get built.

And I suspect it is going to do very little with solving the problem of illegal immigration when so many of the people that come here come here via legal means initially. The wall is going to do absolutely nothing for those cases.


Why are you bringing up "the left" when we're discussing Trump's policies?

You brought up the ridiculous "Obama deportation numbers" and then wonder why I'm bringing it up.


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Old 02-09-2017, 04:08 AM
 
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You brought up the ridiculous "Obama deportation numbers" and then wonder why I'm bringing it up.


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I was addressing the point, which was brought up by someone else, that "Obama refused to deport illegals." - which was very much false. Even if the statistics are misleading (as you say they are), he didn't "refuse to deport illegals".


I don't see how Obama policy is relevant to the discussion of the wall, however. Deflection is not an argument. Want to show that the wall will work and the American people will support it? Put forth your arguments on that subject.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:12 AM
 
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From the very GOP friendly LA Times:roll eyes:


High deportation figures are misleading - LA Times



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Thanks for that - that is interesting.

Just to be clear, that doesn't prove the point the poster that started this conversation thread was saying ("Obama refused to deport illegals.").
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:31 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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There is no question that the President acted well within his Constitutional authority and within the law, which is covered under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, Section 212F Codified under Title 8 U.S.C. 1182.

The Federal judge had no authority to interfere with this order. He has acted politically, which is not his job. this law is crystal clear and totally unambiguous. It matters not how the President arrived at his decision, nor does it matter which countries he included or did not include. That is not the judges role to question.

This judge (Robart) should be removed, and there is every reason to do so. His action was beyond his authority as a judge and his reasons were beyond his authority to question the Presidents motives. The President's motives are not his business.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:37 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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That's not how our government works. He is not King.
No, he is not a king, but neither is this judge's order "how our government works."

The judge acted unlawfully, and outside of his authority. He does not have the authority to question the Presidents motives, and the President acted well within his own authority, granted by the Constitution and the law. He has the authority, and it is his alone, not his along with congressional or some judge's approval.

The President is right on this, and this judge is wrong. Period. Further, this judge, and the states which brought suit, have no standing in this case. In short, they do not have a case. One cannot sue simply because they do not like something.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:41 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Obama refused to deport illegals. He even released them into the society. Was he King?
He was acting like a king, and he was not upholding the law, which he swore an oath to do. He also refused to enforce other laws that he didn't agree with. He was wrong.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:43 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Happy, I know I have told you before that Obama really oversaw more people get deported in the history of the US.
That is pure B.S. Liberal spin. A flat out lie.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:47 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Law and order conservatives, huh?
This judge is wrong, and the President is right. He would have every right to ignore this judge, but it wouldn't be wise. This judge needs to be smacked down, but he also should be removed from the bench for acting beyond his authority.
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Old 02-09-2017, 05:22 AM
 
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I don't know if he should be ignoring the courts but a very bad precedent is being set by the courts sticking their nose into the executive branch business. Do we want every decision our President makes second guessed by a judge with political ambitions? Or a judge with any kind of an agenda? This will swing both ways regardless who the President is.
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