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Old 02-10-2017, 07:10 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Gotta pay for lowering the top income tax rate somehow.
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Old 02-10-2017, 07:24 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Despite Decades Of Deforestation, The Earth Is Getting Greener

Despite Decades Of Deforestation, The Earth Is Getting Greener | IFLScience

Interesting article. I'm not claiming to have the answers but it's not difficult to find others saying this isn't necessarily a good thing. Earth is getting greener. Here


I think one of the problems with this type of thing is that while change may be measurable with sensitive instruments the average person may not sense any in over an average lifespan, it becomes an issue of what interpretation people choose to believe and those arguing today will likely not live long enough to know if they were right or wrong.
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Old 02-10-2017, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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i opposed a carbon tax when obama was in office, and i oppose it now.
This!
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Old 02-10-2017, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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And plants release oxygen after feeding on it. But, what happens after continuing reductions of plant life as forests are cut, how does more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere benefit animals?

Go to a commercial greenhouse that modifies CO2 levels to further promote growth. They will run the CO2 levels to 1200+ PPM (up to as high as 1500 PPM) as opposed to the 400 PPM that people are screaming about now, claiming the sky is falling.


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Old 02-10-2017, 01:49 PM
 
Location: USA
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Go to a commercial greenhouse that modifies CO2 levels to further promote growth. They will run the CO2 levels to 1200+ PPM (up to as high as 1500 PPM) as opposed to the 400 PPM that people are screaming about now, claiming the sky is falling.
Nobody is suggesting that the higher CO2 levels predicted for the end of the century will cause direct harm to land plants/animals. They won't.

The problem is much higher global average temperatures due to the trapping of heat in the atmosphere. In addition, higher atmospheric CO2 eventually makes its way into the oceans, which changes ocean acidity and causes harm to many marine plants/animals.
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Old 02-10-2017, 01:54 PM
 
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And plants release oxygen after feeding on it. But, what happens after continuing reductions of plant life as forests are cut, how does more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere benefit animals?

There is no reason to think that the current level of CO2 is optimal. Certainly at 800PPM plants grow more easily, more or less meaning more for the food chain and more easily taking it out of the air.

Sort of hilarious that state of the art hydroponics is from weed:

CO2 Fuels Marijuana Yield!



I am all for a higher gas tax which is much closer to a user fee than most other taxes. I mean that to imply other taxes should be abolished.
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Old 02-10-2017, 07:49 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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we grow our way into higher tax revenues. we make the business environment more favorable so that businesses grow and and thus pay more in taxes as a result of higher incomes. and since more jobs would be created, the tax base also increases in that manner as well.
Growth isn't linear. The reason the Bush Tax Cuts added a lot of debt is because when an inevitable downturn hits, revenue plummets.

Trump wants tax cuts, "modernizing the military", trillion dollar infrastructure plan, some unknown alternate to ACA, and has said nothing about how much money the boomers will cost when they start retiring in mass. Even Heritage and Cato agree that Trump will add tremendous debt with those plans.
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Old 02-10-2017, 07:57 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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Democrats won the poverty vote, single mother vote, the unemployed working age vote, and minority votes (which are proportionally more likely to be on the social safety net). Remember, in the red states - the counties with the highest percent of those on welfare are blue voting counties.

Democrats have a cognitive dissonance in that they brag to represent all of these under privileged groups and how they win their votes --- and then they turn off their brains so they can claim that it is the Republicans as an insult that wins these votes by saying "red states" have more while ignoring who and where in those red states, which points to mostly blue voters.
No, rural America, the rust belt, and Appalachia depend a lot on food stamps, medicaid, and medicare. His supporters in those areas failed to adapt to a new world and will need a strong safety social net to either get new skills or keep their head above water.

It will be interesting to see what Trump and Paul Ryan do about those left behind who will need those programs, as Paul Ryan prefers to slash the safety net.
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Old 02-10-2017, 07:58 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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There is no reason to think that the current level of CO2 is optimal. Certainly at 800PPM plants grow more easily, more or less meaning more for the food chain and more easily taking it out of the air.

Sort of hilarious that state of the art hydroponics is from weed:

CO2 Fuels Marijuana Yield!



I am all for a higher gas tax which is much closer to a user fee than most other taxes. I mean that to imply other taxes should be abolished.
The plant argument holds very little water to those educated on such matters.

The current CO2 and greenhouse levels are optimal because our entire society is built around the climate we have.
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Old 02-10-2017, 08:03 PM
 
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Growth isn't linear. The reason the Bush Tax Cuts added a lot of debt is because when an inevitable downturn hits, revenue plummets.
gee how unusual, when the economy has a downturn tax revenues drop. how unusual.

the thing is though that it happens even when ta rates are high.

if trump gets the economy growing at the rate he suugests is consistently possible, then revenues are going to grow right along with the economy, and we will grow our way out of the hole we are in now, even with the added spending.

remember the ecnomy is dynamic, not static, and too many people use a static model that does not take into account what people end up doing in a growing economy.
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