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Old 02-10-2017, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I have never understood why state and local government can't just do what the constitution intended and just have taxes for public safety and infrastructure.

Government schools have been a huge failure and some states barely subsidize higher education so it shows they can run universities without state and local money.

Strong public safety and also health department is important in my opinion.

Other then that why do states and local government want people to pay for things that are others responsibility.

I am all for tax credits for private schools like have an Arizona so parents get help out choosing the best public school for their children.

Arizona has a $1,090 maximum tax credit, so that way parents have choices in choosing the very best school for their children.

https://www.azdor.gov/portals/0/brochure/707.pdf

President Trump also has a plan for a $5,000 tax deduction for child-care expenses. It looks in Alabama that the average cost of childcare is $5,600. I don't understand why states raise taxes, when under President Trump's plan that 90% of the average cost of daycare is deductable in Alabama

http://www.epi.org/child-care-costs-...united-states/

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/01/trump...ax-breaks.html

The private sector does an excellent job with all the extras that people can opt into.

South Dakota instance does good enough and is highly regarded as pro-business state that grows jobs like crazy and it has no burdensome state income tax, no corporate income tax to punish job creators and sales taxes in some jurisdictions are as low as 4.5% so that hard-workers can have more money to feed their families and save for a rainy day or retirement.

http://www.sale-tax.com/SouthDakota

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Old 02-10-2017, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I have never understood why state and local government can't just do what the constitution intended and just have taxes for public safety and infrastructure.

Government schools have been a huge failure and some states barely subsidize higher education so it shows they can run universities without state and local money.

Strong public safety and also health department is important in my opinion.

Other then that why do states and local government want people to pay for things that are others responsibility.

I am all for tax credits for private schools like have an Arizona so parents get help out choosing the best public school for their children.

Arizona has a $1,090 maximum tax credit, so that way parents have choices in choosing the very best school for their children.

https://www.azdor.gov/portals/0/brochure/707.pdf

President Trump also has a plan for a $5,000 tax deduction for child-care expenses. It looks in Alabama that the average cost of childcare is $5,600. I don't understand why states raise taxes, when under President Trump's plan that 90% of the average cost of daycare is deductable in Alabama

Child care costs in the United States | Economic Policy Institute

Trump's plan to help middle class using child-care tax breaks

The private sector does an excellent job with all the extras that people can opt into.
Huh? The Constitution does not limit the states in what they decide to do with revenue. Public education is older than our country. Every generation in every nation on earth has recognized the importance of educating its children. An important exception is the modern GOP and the Taliban, I guess. In AZ that you cite, the state constitution requires FREE public schools through high school and also mandates that college be "as free as possible".
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Old 02-10-2017, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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To answer the thread question, because liberals think that taking care of illegals, generational welfare dependents, funding abortion as a method of birth control, and transforming schools and public facilities into places that cater to every type of sexual impulse imbalance to be the main priorities these days.
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Old 02-10-2017, 08:15 PM
 
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I have never understood why state and local government can't just do what the constitution intended and just have taxes for public safety and infrastructure.
the constitution does not put limits on the states, except those that deal with immigration, and international treaties, among a few other items of power delegated to the federal government. a lot of the things the federal government is doing right now is unconstitutional, and those things should be left to the states to do, including education, welfare, health insurance regulations etc.
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Old 02-10-2017, 11:19 PM
 
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the constitution does not put limits on the states, except those that deal with immigration, and international treaties, among a few other items of power delegated to the federal government. a lot of the things the federal government is doing right now is unconstitutional, and those things should be left to the states to do, including education, welfare, health insurance regulations etc.
Both State and federal government fund education, welfare. The reason why health plans don't transfer from state to state is because of different state laws regarding health insurance.
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Old 02-10-2017, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Because many people are useful idiots for people who want to expand state power...to use the words of Lenin.
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Old 02-10-2017, 11:36 PM
 
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I have never understood why state and local government can't just do what the constitution intended and just have taxes for public safety and infrastructure.

Government schools have been a huge failure and some states barely subsidize higher education so it shows they can run universities without state and local money.

Strong public safety and also health department is important in my opinion.

Other then that why do states and local government want people to pay for things that are others responsibility.

I am all for tax credits for private schools like have an Arizona so parents get help out choosing the best public school for their children.

Arizona has a $1,090 maximum tax credit, so that way parents have choices in choosing the very best school for their children.

https://www.azdor.gov/portals/0/brochure/707.pdf

President Trump also has a plan for a $5,000 tax deduction for child-care expenses. It looks in Alabama that the average cost of childcare is $5,600. I don't understand why states raise taxes, when under President Trump's plan that 90% of the average cost of daycare is deductable in Alabama

Child care costs in the United States | Economic Policy Institute

Trump's plan to help middle class using child-care tax breaks

The private sector does an excellent job with all the extras that people can opt into.

South Dakota instance does good enough and is highly regarded as pro-business state that grows jobs like crazy and it has no burdensome state income tax, no corporate income tax to punish job creators and sales taxes in some jurisdictions are as low as 4.5% so that hard-workers can have more money to feed their families and save for a rainy day or retirement.

South Dakota (SD) Sales Tax Rates by City
Why should we have to pay for your kids to go to private schools. My parents were poor and sent 5 of us to catholic schools. They worked hard for it. And now you want a hand out to pay for private schools for your kids. Why should any of us pay for that. You need to pay for it yourself.
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Old 02-11-2017, 02:33 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Why should we have to pay for your kids to go to private schools. My parents were poor and sent 5 of us to catholic schools. They worked hard for it. And now you want a hand out to pay for private schools for your kids. Why should any of us pay for that. You need to pay for it yourself.
I don't often agree with you, but I do on this one.

To those wanting public funding of your child's private education, the citizens of your state have kindly offered to provide an education for your child because it is in the interest of the larger community that your child obtains specific skills and knowledge. If you don't like what's offered then pay for it yourself. As to the argument "but I've already paid for it with my taxes" so have other people who have no children that utilize that service, many of whom probably don't want their funds used to pay for the type of education you want instead. Your contribution to funding state run education is not directly tied to your child any more than my taxes are directly tied to a particular child, otherwise you would be forking over $12-15K a year per child and I would now pay none.
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