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And you have proof the students use the showers during school, that they must for gym class? Why won't you address this? I have told you that it's rare today to find schools that require kids to shower after gym. Most gym students just change into gym clothes, which doesn't require removing any undergarments.
Think about what you're saying. You already saw photos of a high school with a pool in IN. The school my kids went to in IL had one, too. Graduation requirements mandate that students take swimming at least one year. They have to change into and out of bathing suits and wash the chlorine off themselves every single school day. In the open locker room. In the open shower.
Yeah, let's hear it for making transgendered individuals feel like "freaks", how nice and caring
People with gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder (GID) have been using bathrooms forever. I don't see a problem here. GID folks can enter a stall and do their thing and no one will know it is a man with a penis dressed as a woman.
If these men want to pretend they are women they don't harm anyone, so I could care less.
You'd also be hard pressed to find someone who would go through the trouble to dress up like the opposite sex and actually try to look the part to blend in (you know, which is what actual trans people do - look the part, as best as they can) just so they can creep on women. M to F trans people have it particularly hard because it's hard to hide their masculinity, few men would be willing to deal with the stares and judgment from others if they were to fake being trans. Everything you're suggesting here just isn't logical.
Who said anything about a requirement that an anatomical male who "feels" like a female has to dress and look like one? There simply is no such requirement. Read the example in the Time Magazine article I linked.
You're really pushing an agenda and calling others bigoted, so why would you ASSUME someone who's claiming to be transgender would dress or look like the gender they "claim" to be? Wouldn't that make you a bigot for assuming all transgenders are the same?
And you have proof the students use the showers during school, that they must for gym class? Why won't you address this? I have told you that it's rare today to find schools that require kids to shower after gym. Most gym students just change into gym clothes, which doesn't require removing any undergarments.
The community uses the gym by choice/because they are allowed to, they don't get to complain if a trans person is in there. They will be told to go find somewhere else, especially with the existence of laws allowing trans people into the room.
Lets say for arguments sake there are 20 girls who do shower after gym, because they are hard workers and like to be clean afterwards. Yes they are a bit uncomfortable showering in front of their other girl friends but choose to do so anyway because of their desire for hygiene. Now a trans boy is allowed to use the girl's facilities.
What should they do? Deal with it or don't shower? Is that your position?
Is it your contention that the one trans person's feelings is more valid than the feelings of the 20 girls who are now having a biological male forced into their shower area?
People with gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder (GID) have been using bathrooms forever. I don't see a problem here. GID folks can enter a stall and do their thing and no one will know it is a man with a penis dressed as a woman.
If these men want to pretend they are women they don't harm anyone, so I could care less.
You are correct, except this thread isn't about public bathrooms.
Typical dumb*** Trump move. He has North Korea launching missiles, people waiting for him to create the jobs he promised, and a million other serious issues, and what does he do? He worries about bathrooms ! If I were the people who trusted and voted for him, I would be livid that he is wasting his time on silly stuff, instead of doing what really needs done. He is simply incapable of focusing on important issues and worries more about how many people attended his inauguration.
What a clown.
And the same could be said about Obama. More worried about this issue than North Korea and other very pressing issues.
In fact that was big topic on here.
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Insert Obama in place of Trump and tell me the difference.
you've made it well known what your point is and that you look down on those in disagreement.
why on earth would we expose transgenders to minors? that's crazy. there's a reason the majority does not want that.
common sense prevailed on this one.
And you wonder why I "look down on those in disagreement" SMH
What I'm not okay with is such utter ignorance. I can have civil discussions but once people get crazy, I get however it is that makes you feel I "look down" on people. I don't take well to people who call others "freaks" or insist it's "crazy" we "expose" minors to trans people (or trans people to minors, as if the trans person will do something horrible to a kid ), also while conveniently ignoring the fact that many trans people are minors themselves. I suggest another person google Jazz Jennings...
It wouldn't hurt to open your mind and have some compassion.
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Think about what you're saying. You already saw photos of a high school with a pool in IN. The school my kids went to in IL had one, too. Graduation requirements mandate that students take swimming at least one year. They have to change into and out of bathing suits and wash the chlorine off themselves every single school day. In the open locker room. In the open shower.
I need to think about what I'm saying? Whatever.
Any school that requires students to take swimming and strip naked and shower in the open in front of other students is a school I wouldn't go to or want my kids at, honestly. So many districts have thrown out these older policies because they suck. There's a higher regard for privacy nowadays and a risk of lawsuits, concerns over kids getting bullied, even a concern for trans kids, there's the fact that many don't have time to shower in between classes. It's just not common.
I don't think ANY students should be forced to get naked and shower in open stalls in front of each other, forget about a trans kid here and there. How awful.
The only people we should make strip and shower in the open in front of each other are inmates.
Honestly though, I'm not lying when I say a school that makes kids shower is in the minority, especially if they're showering in those open stalls:
A. A person commits indecent exposure if he or she exposes his or her genitals or anus or she exposes the areola or nipple of her breast or breasts and another person is present, and the defendant is reckless about whether the other person, as a reasonable person, would be offended or alarmed by the act.
B. Indecent exposure does not include an act of breast-feeding by a mother. C. Indecent exposure to a person who is fifteen or more years of age is a class 1 misdemeanor. Indecent exposure to a person who is under fifteen years of age is a class 6 felony.
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), also while conveniently ignoring the fact that many trans people are minors themselves. I suggest another person google Jazz Jennings... 
