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You really don't give the transgender/transsexual individual a viable option then (and no, using the bathroom/locker room of their birth sex is NOT a viable option)
Oh, give me a break! This is all about pride and emotion, not viability. Men's restrooms and women's restrooms are essentially the same functionally. The process of taking a crap in a toilet is pretty much the same in a men's restroom as it is in a woman's restroom.
As long as you have access to "a" restroom, it's a "viable" option, functionally speaking.
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I mean, why don't we just execute transgender/transsexual individuals, that would truly be the easiest solution right?
Do you want to have a real discussion? Or do you just want to distract by using stupid, over-the-top rhetoric that doesnlt really contribute anything to the dialogue?
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Then all the uncomfortable/intolerant cis individuals don't have to deal with them at all. That seems to be where all this is headed......
So, anyone that disagrees with you is an intolerant bigot who wants all transgendered people to be murdered.... So much for you not "ostracizing" people....
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Because it is telling them that you don't think their condition exists, and expect them to live a closeted life.
No, it's not telling them that I don't think their condition exists, or that I expect them to live a closeted life. I'm telling them that if they have a penis, they have to go use the facilities designated for those with a penis.. It really doesn't go any further than that.
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You are a woman, right? What if you were told you were expected to use the men's locker room and bathroom even though you KNOW you are a woman? That is the issue
How's that any different from what you're advocating? The only difference is, instead of forcing her to go in to the men's room, you're letting the men in to the women's room...
Either way, the outcome is the same. She's forced to use a restroom with men in it.
As I;ve made clear in previous posts though, I'm less concerned with actual transgendered people using the restroom of their choice than I am with the perverts who will pretend to be transgender in order to exploit these policies.
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Oh, give me a break! This is all about pride and emotion, not viability. Men's restrooms and women's restrooms are essentially the same functionally. The process of taking a crap in a toilet is pretty much the same in a men's restroom as it is in a woman's restroom.
As long as you have access to "a" restroom, it's a "viable" option, functionally speaking.
Do you want to have a real discussion? Or do you just want to distract by using stupid, over-the-top rhetoric that doesnlt really contribute anything to the dialogue?
So, anyone that disagrees with you is an intolerant bigot who wants all transgendered people to be murdered.... So much for you not "ostracizing" people....
No, it's not telling them that I don't think their condition exists, or that I expect them to live a closeted life. I'm telling them that if they have a penis, they have to go use the facilities designated for those with a penis.. It really doesn't go any further than that.
How's that any different from what you're advocating? The only difference is, instead of forcing her to go in to the men's room, you're letting the men in to the women's room...
Either way, the outcome is the same. She's forced to use a restroom with men in it.
As I;ve made clear in previous posts though, I'm less concerned with actual transgendered people using the restroom of their choice than I am with the perverts who will pretend to be transgender in order to exploit these policies.
I'm only going to address your last paragraph here as I am tiring of not getting anywhere in this thread.
Why should the paranoia of one or two bad actors spoil it for all the legitimate transgender/transsexual people?
Why should the paranoia of one or two bad actors spoil it for all the legitimate transgender/transsexual people?
How can you tell it's only one or two bad actors when no one can tell who's actually transgender or not, and no proof is required prior to entry?
That's the problem. It gives any and all males (whether transgender, gay, straight, or sex offender) free entry to and use of girls'/women's multiple occupancy bathrooms/locker/shower rooms while young girls and/or women are half-dressed and naked.
Why should ALL girls and women (51% of the population) be expected to put themselves and their safety at risk just so that 0.3% of the population can get what they want?
As noted several times I don't have a problem with coed bathrooms. In my opinion everyone is afforded an adequate level of privacy in bathrooms.
I am also comfortable changing and showering in the typical open men's locker rooms that most guys grew up with. I'm not especially modest in that regard.
All that said, I am not comfortable changing and showering with people that have vaginas. It is just not proper. I empathize with the plight of transgenders but they need to accept the fact that they do not fit the standard male-female norms and that society is not yet ready for coed locker rooms, because a mix of penises and vaginas in a locker room is exactly that, coed. It doesn't matter that they feel like the opposite of the anatomy they were born with. When you are naked in a locker room nobody sees your feelings. They instead are seeing what nature gave you.
Truly I would like to be able to change my mindset as I believe in equality for all, but most of us need some time to get used to this. Yes there were always transgenders, but many of us never even knew they existed. Cultural change takes time. This is just moving too fast. Deal with bathrooms first, and then after we're gotten used to that, someday come back to locker rooms.
Yes I am comfortable with it, does that drive you crazy?
You're comfortable with forcing minor girls to change/shower with adult anatomical males who are not close family members? That's highly inappropriate, if not outright child abuse and a sex crime.
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