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Old 02-15-2017, 12:53 AM
 
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American Indian? if not let's retro the ruling 200+ years and some can return to the motherland
'American Indians' migrated (largely from what is now Asia) to what is now the United States....migrated, just as Europeans did.

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Undocumented immigrants DO have legal rights under the U.S. Constitution and federal statute. As far back as 1896, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that: “The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens. ... All persons in the U.S., therefore, have constitutional rights.
You're right, illegal aliens (who you euphemistically refer to as undocumented immigrants ) are entitled to due process, but it's not as simplistic as you try make it seem above. One key word that you got right is IN. Physically being IN the U.S. matters.

Here is a paper written by someone who might be even more liberal than you are politically. It outlines some of the realities that restrain what you mention above, as well as some 'political wishes' that I think you'd probably agree with...


scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub
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Old 02-15-2017, 03:10 AM
 
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They are foreigners, but if they apply to come here through proper legal channels, they DO have a right to be here.

Why would you think they do not? Did your foreigner parents not have a right to move here?

Because, at some point, someone in your family was foreign to this country. Unless you're Inuit or something.
Wrong
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Old 02-15-2017, 03:50 AM
 
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Wrong

Yup , you are.
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Old 02-15-2017, 04:10 AM
 
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The 14th Amendment says no state may "deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Show me where it says citizen please!

You need to study U.S. Law. You are wrong. Foreigners who are legally here in the U.S. definitely are covered by our laws. If a U.S. citizen is in another country, he is not protected by our laws. I've met many foreign nationals who live here on visas and they work and own property in the U.S.
I'm talking about foreigners not in the US
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Old 02-15-2017, 04:19 AM
 
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They are foreigners, but if they apply to come here through proper legal channels, they DO have a right to be here.

Why would you think they do not? Did your foreigner parents not have a right to move here?

Because, at some point, someone in your family was foreign to this country. Unless you're Inuit or something.
No.

They don't have a right to come here until approved to come here. We also have a right to change our policies of admission.

Just because everyone is an immigrant or descendant of an immigrant doesn't mean everyone in the world has a right to move here today.



P.S. Why is it that so many liberals claim that Inuit, Native Americans, etc...aren't descendants of immigrants? It seems that anyone with a basic education understands that no humans originated here as all humans came out of Africa originally AND that Native Americans came here in waves.

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Old 02-15-2017, 04:20 AM
 
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Old 02-15-2017, 04:52 AM
 
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They are foreigners, but if they apply to come here through proper legal channels, they DO have a right to be here.

Why would you think they do not? Did your foreigner parents not have a right to move here?

Because, at some point, someone in your family was foreign to this country. Unless you're Inuit or something.
They have a "right" to apply to come here as far as the US is concerned.

But they have no "right" to be accepted and they have no "right" to come here illegally.
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:03 AM
 
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All foreigners know that at point of entry they can be denied access. That is on all visa paperwork and on an ESTA as well.

I know famous athletes who had a conviction without spending time in prison who got denied at point of entry and had to go back while their team was allowed to play in the USA.

Never was that labeled to be discriminatory.
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:05 AM
 
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We aren't desperate for additional citizens. We have plenty here already. What is it with the Left wanting to flood our nation with waves of non-assimilating immigrants?
How about we take a breather, and keep the annual number allowed to what the law says. Just enough to keep the population at a constant or slightly increasing number.
NOT tens of thousands of people that are only here for the bennies!
Because the self hating white liberals hate whitey and the patriarchy and want to flood the US with 3rd worlders
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:09 AM
 
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Yes, they can be discriminated against.

Our laws and constitution do not apply to them if they are non-citizens (including green card holders/legal permanent residents) outside the U.S.

And they are not considered legally inside the U.S. unless and until they are officially admitted by border and customs officials at our airports and other ports of entry, or until they sneak into the country (but illegal immigration has nothing to do with Trump's executive order).

Non-citizens outside the U.S. are not entitled to a hearing.

Trump's order pertains to people outside the U.S.A.

I doubt you could have passed a class in constitutional law, because you aren't very good at paying attention.

No one said it does.

The Constitution does not apply to non-citizens not yet admitted to this country.

Not if they aren't in this country.

The State Department doesn't have to issue visas to anyone from those countries -- or any other countries for that matter -- so the EO is (effectively) in effect, and will hopefully remain so permanently.

Sorry, libs.

You lose.
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