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No it actually didn't. It was the dumb ****s at the airports who didn't know what they were doing and many were causing chaos on purpose.
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Originally Posted by RedZin
So, you admit that the execution of this whole thing was a disaster and the EO should have been implemented with greater care so as not to wind up with the mess we have now?
No, he did not admit that.
And he is right.
We can now see that government employees at all levels -- virtually all of them Democrats, and therefore traitors -- are trying to sabotage his presidency.
Y'know, somebody actually indicated he (or she, who knows?) was upset with me for referencing 8 USC 1182 (f) too many times.
It seems them folks preach that we are a "Nation Of Laws", but if you tell them what the law really says, and give them the reference so they can read it or look it up, they do not want to hear it.
Unless, of course, it reinforces what they are saying.
Why it does not apply? because they were already approved- if he wanted to start with a new set of rules for visas and green cards- he could do that with the congress. We are not at war with any of those nations -as in a declaration of war against the USA, so he has to prove his point, and he cant-
FEAR of Muslims or promises to his peeps-- won't fly--
We can now see that government employees at all levels -- virtually all of them Democrats, and therefore traitors -- are trying to sabotage his presidency.
Oh darling- please do not take trip... they can also block anarchist you know
Even people who are here illegally have rights to due process and equal protection. If they are accused of a crime they are entitled to be tried by a jury, have an attorney appointed, etc. They can't just be tossed in jail and they can't be punished more harshly because of their immigration status. Foreigners who have never set foot in the U.S. but own property here are also entitled to due process with regard to the property.
Those are just two examples.
I guess one reason there is a bit of confusion is because I thought we were talking about the "travel ban" not illegal immigration, and there's so much to cover. I thought the other poster was saying they had the right to stay or work here. However, they do not enjoy the full rights the are given to U.S. citizens.
Of course people have the right to due process under the law and to be treated justly. There have been a few Supreme Court rulings on this using specific words that apply to people who are in this country illegally.
The "Creator"-given inalienable rights outlined in the Declaration of Independence are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Not automatic admission to the United States.
Incidentally, I wonder why your side hasn't objected to our having immigration laws and restrictions until now.
Could it be because Trump is president?
That is correct - but permission was granted-PRIOR_____ so until you and grumpy create new laws and congress passes them with new restrictions- be still- if there is a ruling that comes down to make changes we will all know with ample time- and then, the prez can execute his plans correctly and lawfully.
They are foreigners, but if they apply to come here through proper legal channels, they DO have a right to be here.
Why would you think they do not? Did your foreigner parents not have a right to move here?
Because, at some point, someone in your family was foreign to this country. Unless you're Inuit or something.
For most of us yes our ancestors were immigrants at some point, but there is a big difference. Our ancestors came here legally and had to support themselves once they got here.
USC 1182 (f): Whenever the president finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
I hope the above clears things up both for you and the muddle-headed liberal judges.
Dump's EO went well beyond simply banning immigration from those countries, hence its defeat in the courts.
I hope that clear things up for the right-wing Google scholars in this thread.
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so until you and grumpy create new laws and congress passes them with new restrictions- be still- if there is a ruling that comes down to make changes we will all know with ample time- and then, the prez can execute his plans correctly and lawfully.
