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Old 02-15-2017, 12:11 PM
 
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Japan is suffering due to a low birth rate and many citizens unwilling to take low level factory jobs and others so they are importing workers from China and other countries. They call these training programs but that's just another name for hiring immigrants.


These are legal immigrants but just wondering what the US would look like if we deported 11M illegal immigrants and restricting legal immigration and visas.





https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/b...ype=collection
Right..they let in exactly what they need..not an excess amount. This doesn't screw up the supply/demand for workers among other things. The US does not have enough jobs for lower skilled workers. Japan is much smarter than the US.
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Old 02-15-2017, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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When an economy doesn't have enough workers to fill the number of jobs, wages and benefits increase, working conditions get better, quality of life soars, and the only people who are dissatisfied are the CEOs of large corporations.

When Apple cries that it "can't find enough workers to fill its high-tech jobs," that means Apple isn't paying enough for native-born Americans to take those jobs. Of course Big Business CEOs would rather import "scab" workers from poor nations who will work for low pay--but those scab workers are encouraged to rely on welfare and other taxpayer funded "public assistance" (which at least highly educated native-born Americans still have some reticence to use).

America's strict and narrowly-targeted immigration laws created the prosperous American Middle Class in the post-WWII manufacturing boom--the envy of the world, at least until the self-sabotaging 1965 Immigration Law changes ushered in the "open door" immigration that flooded the labor market and wiped out the bargaining power of labor over the next 7 years. That's when median wages started to DROP, when businesses stopped sharing the profits of productivity gains, when income inequality began skyrocketing, and when America first condemned the next generation to a harder/poorer life than their parents had.
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Old 02-15-2017, 12:18 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Low birth rate

https://qz.com/911304/married-people...rriage-survey/
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Old 02-15-2017, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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I'm talking about the hood, boss man. And these same people sit around outside all evening and all night too.
Same is true for trailer folk in West Virginia. A writer for The Atlantic prescribed moving to the cities and getting into construction.

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Perhaps the United States needs some sort of massive national building project to put these men back to work in jobs that they would be proud and willing to do. The promises of Donald Trump to the contrary, the United States is not poised to bring back manufacturing jobs.

But what about construction jobs?

Several weeks ago, Conor Sen, a portfolio manager and a columnist at Bloomberg View, wrote a widely shared essay predicting that housing would become the dominant economic story of the next five years. Sen worried that it would be hard to find enough workers (mostly men, since construction employment is about 90 percent male) to build the requisite number of houses. After all, construction skews young and less educated, and the U.S. is getting older and more educated. "If we had to find 500,000 construction workers tomorrow, from a math standpoint it would be impossible," he wrote. "The slack isn’t there.”

But the slack is there. Millions of able-bodied men have dropped out of the labor force, mostly because they have stopped looking for work. Many of them badly need to leave their neighborhoods in Appalachia, the Rust Belt, and the Deep South, where the rate of non-working men often hovers around 40 percent. Meanwhile, the U.S. needs more affordable housing construction, particularly in its richest and most populous metro areas.
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...ng-men/488858/
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Old 02-15-2017, 12:51 PM
 
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so its sustainable.
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Old 02-15-2017, 12:54 PM
 
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The Ponzi scheme of more and more humans has to stop eventually.
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Old 02-15-2017, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Japan is suffering due to a low birth rate and many citizens unwilling to take low level factory jobs and others so they are importing workers from China and other countries. They call these training programs but that's just another name for hiring immigrants.


These are legal immigrants but just wondering what the US would look like if we deported 11M illegal immigrants and restricting legal immigration and visas.





https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/b...ype=collection
your analysis is missing a few facts/variables

1. japan is an island ..equal to about the size of Montana

2. japans population is getting much older, while population in USA is not really getting any older..and we are the more youthful than most of the developed countries (ie median age in Japan is 47, while the median age in the USA is 37) Britian is 40 , france 41, Germany 46, finland 43, Canada 41, Denmark 42, Italy 46, Norway 39....

3. so we have a bigger population, that is younger , and we have a lower cost of living (it costs more to live in Japan, than it does in the USA)
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Old 02-15-2017, 12:58 PM
 
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your analysis is missing a few facts/variables

1. japan is an island ..equal to about the size of Montana

2. japans population is getting much older, while population in USA is not really getting any older..and we are the more youthful than most of the developed countries (ie median age in Japan is 47, while the median age in the USA is 37) Britian is 40 , france 41, Germany 46, finland 43, Canada 41, Denmark 42, Italy 46, Norway 39....

3. so we have a bigger population, that is younger , and we have a lower cost of living (it costs more to live in Japan, than it does in the USA)
I wonder if the cost to live in Japan has anything to do with real estate prices?
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Old 02-15-2017, 01:00 PM
 
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Same is true for trailer folk in West Virginia. A writer for The Atlantic prescribed moving to the cities and getting into construction.



https://www.theatlantic.com/business...ng-men/488858/
And that's why we don't need to bring laborers from Latin America into the country.
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Old 02-15-2017, 01:07 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Japan - No immigrants welcome, massive debt and worker shortage
Europe - open borders, no vetting, native fertility rates half of replacement
USA, Canada, and Australia / NZ - lots of vetted immigrants who mostly assimilate


The best option is the have native fertility rates above 2.5, that's not going to happen. There are no perfect options but option 3 is the best option.
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