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Old 02-16-2017, 07:34 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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It certainly DOES have to do with the topic of this thread, and probably your post as well.

You just don't have an answer. That's okay.
Giving me props for using a certain word is relevant to this thread? Talk about La La Land!
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I believe this is a planned coup by the Obama administration.
To what end?

And how would it work exactly?
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:35 AM
 
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Exactly.

Certainly no reason for Flynn to lie about simply wishing the Russian ambassador "Merry Christmas."
Let's stipulate that he was negotiating on behalf of Trump.

There is no law against that.

The only law is against negotiating on behalf of the existing government -- which at the time was the Obama Administration.

Flynn wasn't doing that.
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:37 AM
 
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Giving me props for using a certain word is relevant to this thread? Talk about La La Land!
I hope you're enjoying it there.
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:39 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Let's stipulate that he was negotiating on behalf of Trump.

There is no law against that.

The only law is against negotiating on behalf of the existing government -- which at the time was the Obama Administration.

Flynn wasn't doing that.
One president and one administration at a time. Doesn't matter if it was January 19, 2017.
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:41 AM
 
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One president and one administration at a time. Doesn't matter if it was January 19, 2017.
Flynn wasn't negotiating on behalf of Obama.

The Russians were well aware of that.
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Pixley
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There has to be something to blackmail him for.

So far, your side has given us nothing.

The Director of the NSA?

What does he have to do with this?

I never said she did.

But blackmail?

For what? Not telling

Pence everything he and the Russian ambassador had discussed?

Big deal.

How so?

Then it is up to that person to say why.
You can keep posting the same thing, but for people in the real world, the government is using FISA and US citizens talking to targets are subject to being monitored. Call it a loophole, but it is happening.


Again, people in the real world told Trump that Flynn has been compromised. What Flynn said on national television and told the VPOTUS, who repeated it on national television was in opposition to what he discussed discussed on the call with the ambassador. This can be used as blackmail. I'm not sure how it can be explained any simpler.

"Our side" does not have to "give" you anything. It what is actually being done and discussed that counts.

My apologies, NSC director.

Trump botched the situation because Yates told him weeks before Pence when on television about Flynn's conversation, yet he still let him go on television, knowing what he was going to say was false.
You can speculate, but these are facts, not alternate ones.

Up to what person? The one on the phone? They don't get to decide if their conversation was relevant to what the government was looking for.
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:53 AM
 
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here's a good article on the topic:

https://lawfareblog.com/treatment-fl...ion-procedures
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:56 AM
 
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You can keep posting the same thing, but for people in the real world, the government is using FISA and US citizens talking to targets are subject to being monitored. Call it a loophole, but it is happening.
The NSA can flag the conversation, but cannot listen to it without a FISA warrant if a private U.S. citizen is part of the conversation.

Don't complain to me about that being the way it works. The libs insisted on it, and so did a lot of conservatives after the Snowden leaks.

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Again, people in the real world told Trump that Flynn has been compromised. What Flynn said on national television and told the VPOTUS, who repeated it on national television was in opposition to what he discussed discussed on the call with the ambassador. This can be used as blackmail. I'm not sure how it can be explained any simpler.
So I mislead my boss, and now the Russkies are demanding stuff from me?

You can't be serious.

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"Our side" does not have to "give" you anything.
You do if you expect to be taken seriously.

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Trump botched the situation because Yates told him weeks before Pence when on television about Flynn's conversation, yet he still let him go on television, knowing what he was going to say was false.
You can speculate, but these are facts, not alternate ones.
Sorry, those are not the facts.

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Up to what person? The one on the phone? They don't get to decide if their conversation was relevant to what the government was looking for.
The FISA court decides that. If there was no FISA warrant, then the intel agencies broke the law.
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Old 02-16-2017, 08:05 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Flynn wasn't negotiating on behalf of Obama.

The Russians were well aware of that.
You're right. And Obama was the president...not Tramp. ONE president and ONE administration at a time.
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