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Old 02-16-2017, 06:01 AM
 
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First off, no. The target of the tap was the Russian ambassador, not Flynn. The NSA did not intentionally target Flynn nor did they ask him to call the ambassador, so listening to the ambassador's call was legal. That is the way a FISA warrant works.
Not if one of the parties to the call is a private U.S. citizen in this country, and there is no reason to believe that the call involves Islamic terrorism.

To listen to a call between the Russian ambassador and the Kremlin in Moscow would be perfectly legal.

To listen to a call between the Russian ambassador and a private U.S. citizen in this country would not be legal without a FISA warrant.

And that warrant would not be granted unless there was reason to believe that the call involved Islamic terrorism.

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Suggesting it is time for martial law is nonsense.
No it isn't.
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:01 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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It's worse than that. Obama is actively working to sabotage Donald Trump and his administration. Unprecedented in U.S. history. He has returned to his roots, an agitator, working to subvert the U.S. government and to "fundamentally transform" the United States.

How Obama is scheming to sabotage Trump's presidency | On Air Videos | Fox News
Man, RWNJs and Fox just can't let go of their whipping boy, Obama.

BTW, foreign ambassadors and other foreigners telecommunications are routinely monitored. It's just that this time they were caught talking to people who should NOT have been communicating with them. Members of Tramp's campaign broke the law when they contacted Russians before Tramp was even elected.
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:02 AM
 
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No, just pointing out the fact that he, or you, clearly do not comprehend ....
i.e. Personal insult.

You fallaciously try to establish that you are smarter and better than the person you are responding to and thus simply accept what you say without question. Response based on logic & fact does not require this tactic.
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:02 AM
 
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Flynn wasn't talking on behalf of the American government, obviously.

He wasn't in the government at the time.


He was an "appointee",man you guys are really grasping for life lines!
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Pixley
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How do you know who was authorized? And as far as I know, there are no restrictions on private individuals talking to any Russian. Maybe you can tell us why you think different.
Private individuals can talk to any Russian they want. If that Russian is being monitored for obvious reasons, that person's contact with them will be monitored as well.

At the point of Flynn's contact with the Russian ambassador, he was not authorized to represent the government of the US, and in doing so, subverted the polices of the US, evidenced by Putin announcing he would not retaliate. What Flynn did was undermine the "one president at a time" doctrine.

If Flynn did nothing wrong, why did Trump ask him to resign? Was it because he lost confidence in him or because the media made him fire him? I can't remember which was the reason.
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:03 AM
 
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i.e. Personal insult.

You fallaciously try to argue that you know better than the person you are responding to and thus simply accept what you say without question. Response based on logic & fact does not require this tactic.

Waldo ,just a question ,do you ever do that?
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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i.e. Personal insult.


Is it so cold in Moscow that you have to cry to stay warm.

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You fallaciously try to establish that you are smarter and better than the person
Better informed.
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:04 AM
 
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No, just pointing out the fact that he, or you, clearly do not comprehend the issue with unauthorized people negotiating with foreign governments on behalf of the US Government.
Flynn wasn't negotiating on behalf of the U.S. government.

He wasn't in the government at the time.

He was not Obama's National Security Adviser.

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You and the other poster both showed you did not know it is against the law (violation of the Logan act).
It would only be a violation if Flynn was negotiating on behalf of the Obama Administration.

He was not negotiating on their behalf.

So your argument fails.
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:05 AM
 
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According to Russia he can leave at any time . He is in Russia becuase he is a traitor and will be prosecuted and put to death when he comes home.
Incorrect.

He can't go anywhere. He does not have a passport. He did clearly tell the Obama administration that he would return to the USA if he could have a trial by a jury of his peers as dictated by the US Constitution. The Obama administration would not give him that guarantee.
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:06 AM
 
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Maybe they fired him because he had bad breath
What does that have to do with anything?
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