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Old 02-16-2017, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Nevada
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
Back when we were a Christian nation people didn't complain about helping out the less fortunate.
There are more efficient ways to help out the less fortunate and the church can do this much better than government.
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:16 AM
 
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How's America going to be "great" if more and more people end up broken from being untreated because they can't afford healthcare?

We will need many, many foreign workers from countries that provide them with affordable healthcare to do the jobs that Americans won't be able to do.
I hope that is sarcasm.
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:27 AM
 
Location: London
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Free medical is when you have insurance that pays 100% of your medical expenses and you dont actually pay a premium for coverage.

The average medical bill for anyone uninsured is no where near 1 million dollars.
When I had my first child I was uninsured. I set up payments and it took about 3 years to pay it off.
A co worker had to seek medical care recently for shingles, thought it might be meningitis, she and her husband are uninsured because insurance is not offered by the employer and they cant afford the monthly premiums so they just pay the fine. She negotiated with the hospital, as they will do, lowered the bill and is paying it off in 18 months.
That 1 million dollar cancer bill is far likelier than you think.

1 of 2 males will develop cancer in their lifetime, 1 of 2 of those will die from it.

It's pretty much a coin flip whether you'll end up with a disease that'll cost seven figures and/or life.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer...om-cancer.html
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:35 AM
 
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Don't you have a second, investment home?
It was not an investment, but for a year and a half, I had two homes until I could sell the first one. I bought a new house prior to selling the one I was originally living in. I lost money on the sale because of our wonderful housing recession.
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:35 AM
 
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The United States pays the most for healthcare around the world and we are all in very poor health.
No we aren't. Why would you do this?
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:36 AM
 
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FYI, "less fortunate" is about as vast a generalization as there can be.
It wasn't my descriptive that I was commenting on. I preferred to not use the word "stupid".
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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"The Internal Revenue Service will no longer require tax filers to indicate whether they had health coverage or pay a penalty set under Obamacare."

That was one of my main objections, great news.
Why is that good news, if they cannot require young healthy people to pay into the ACA how do you expect any health plan including the ACA to survive. Do you have a health plan that only accepts old and sick people.


By the way maybe you didn't think of this but that money that came from people paying in or fines will have to come from somewhere else, the ACA isn't going away. Taxpayers will now be covering their portion of the tab, good news??
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
No we aren't. Why would you do this?
Actually, we do. We pay higher prices for the same drugs compared to other countries, and higher prices for procedures. Here's a fact for you, the cost of a CAT scan in the US in $3,000. Same test in Japan costs $300.
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:39 AM
 
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ACA is insurance legislation, what, who and how paid.

It is not healthcare. It was not intended to be healthcare.

Thus far, the alternatives for replacement being bandied about are no different. The focus is on insurance, specifically premiums, not healthcare or personal responsibility.
I commented on the problem of the government not negotiating with providers which is what you were talking about. Why not be honest? Dishonesty is why we can not get something accomplished.
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:40 AM
 
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There are more efficient ways to help out the less fortunate and the church can do this much better than government.
No they can't. Again, the question above. Why the dishonesty? If the church could do it they would be doing it.
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