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Old 02-18-2017, 01:29 AM
 
Location: England
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What I'm getting after asking all the questions is that Trump did business with Russia as a businssman(not Putin himself), Russia hacked the DNC emails and leaked those to various places, was it Wikileaks? Assange says no it wasn't Russia but whatever. Then Russia created "troll farms" to post on message boards to play up the negativity towards Hillary and Dem's in general. Then Flynn talked to the Russian Ambassador before Trump took office and may have said that sanctions would be discussed later.


Some look at that and think, "so?" while others see "treason!". It also made a bunch of people vote for Trump and/or NOT vote for Hillary supposedly. Does this sum it up? Because all that could have played out exactly the same way without Russia being involved at all.
If Trump want's to clear this mess up, for example, has he accepted money from Russian business men, does he have investments in Russia, then he should reveal his tax return.

Rightly or wrongly, when Trump refused to show his tax return after every other candidate had done so, people are entitled to think that he is hiding something. The most damning thing against Trump is that he defended an enemy of the United States, namely Russia, and blamed the entire American intelligence community when the extent of Russian involvement in the presidential election became clear.

Why, when it was proven that Russia hacked the DNC would Trump seek to defend them? This was a crime against democracy and what did Trump do? He urged the Russians to continue to what they were doing.

 
Old 02-18-2017, 02:17 AM
 
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The sanctions will be discussed later when Trump takes the oath, sanctions can't last forever. Discussions are always on the table when you are dealing with another country especially a country with nukes......how is that an impeachable offense?....the job of the elect President is to tell countries that all discussions are on the table when he takes the office in 3 weeks.....Trump doesn't have to honor Obama's policies once he takes office. Just like Obama didn't have to honor W BUSH policies when Obama won in 2008.


Obama and his team did the same thing when he was President elect in 2008 and his security team were talking to ambassadors of other countries like Iran, China and Russia that they want open discussions.
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No, Obama did not do this too.

Obama and his team did not have regular contact with the Russians throughout his campaign.

Nor is there any evidence whatsoever that as president-elect they contacted the Russians half a dozen times in a few days to let them know that when he was sworn in they wouldn't have to honor Bush and Cheney's policies. Other nations knew that he would be president in three weeks and what this meant about who would be running foreign policy then.

Republicans would have had a **** fit if this had happened. There would have been endless hearings. You know that and I know that.

Can't believe you fell for this Breitbart BS, let alone posted it.
 
Old 02-18-2017, 02:20 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Because reality, that's why.
 
Old 02-18-2017, 03:18 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Because it is all they got.
That, and calling everyone who disagrees with them 'Hitler,' 'Nazi,' 'white supremacist.'

Here's another 'white supremacist' for them to vilify:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa7Qk_yVcac
 
Old 02-18-2017, 06:40 AM
 
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Why, when it was proven that Russia hacked the DNC would Trump seek to defend them? This was a crime against democracy and what did Trump do? He urged the Russians to continue to what they were doing.
None of that happened. That's all made up.
 
Old 02-18-2017, 06:44 AM
 
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None of that happened. That's all made up.
Actually, there are videos of Trump calling on the Russians to hack Clinton's emails.

Google it yourself if you doubt me.
 
Old 02-18-2017, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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At first, I thought it was an inside media joke of some kind. But recently, it seems that the liberal mainstream media will do whatever it takes to "prove" that there is some secret collusion between Donald Trump and the Russian government.

Why are they doing this? And why Russia in particular? Why not all the other countries that Trump has dealings with?

I'm really confused on this one.
Because where there is smoke there is fire.
 
Old 02-20-2017, 03:23 PM
 
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Actually, there are videos of Trump calling on the Russians to hack Clinton's emails.
No, there are not. There's a video where he said something about the Russians finding the emails from Hillary's server (which were not online and were not hackable at that point), but there are no videos where he said anything like what you're claiming.
 
Old 02-21-2017, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Default Rachel Maddow Connects the Dots on Russia; Manafort; Trump

I feel dirty just watching this description of such multilayered corruption that seems to permeate from the oval office on down.

Kudos to Rachel Maddow.
 
Old 02-21-2017, 11:01 AM
 
Location: USA
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OP: Why are you against Trump?

People like yourself will do very well under Trump, as environmental and labor regulations are rolled back, and corporate profits go up.
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