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Old 02-17-2017, 07:04 PM
 
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Ok, well, when that happens, then you'll have my ear. Until then, all these proclamations about dirty air and water are just scare tactics / political propaganda.
Fair enough - this is all about possible danger, not actual danger now.
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Old 02-17-2017, 07:15 PM
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You do realize there are still state agencies in place to regulate the coal industry, right?
I'm sure the governor of WV, a billionaire mine owner, will get right on regulating the industry...
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Old 02-17-2017, 07:35 PM
 
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Its on the path to be energy independent! Not every can afford a solar panel folks!
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Old 02-17-2017, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Blackistan
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Its on the path to be energy independent! Not every can afford a solar panel folks!
You've identified the problem. Let's work on making alternative energy cheaper so we don't have to depend on environment destroying fossil fuels.
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Old 02-17-2017, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Do we really not want clean water and air? I know everyone says "economy," but you can't drink or breathe "economy."
2/13 – The Daily Caller News Foundation – EPA Says There’s No Evidence Fracking Contaminates Groundwater – The EPA spent five years, working with environmental groups, trying to find evidence that fracking causes contamination of groundwater. Even with five years of effort they could not find any evidence or indication of serious risk, only a few isolated incidents.

Here is another interesting factoid.

Water is usually 500 or 1500 feet down. Drilling is usually 10,000 or more feet underground. That leaves somewhere around 9,000 feet or more of solid rock separation. Distance between oil and water is about 9 times the distance between the water and the surface.
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Old 02-18-2017, 01:00 AM
 
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You do realize there are still state agencies in place to regulate the coal industry, right?... all these proclamations about dirty air and water are just scare tactics / political propaganda.
Local politicians only maintain power if they provide jobs in these dying industries.

Thus, local regulations are either too lax or ineffective. Clean air and water must be federally mandated as state-level regulations are too heavily influenced by microeconomic dependencies. WV has no economic interest in regulating coal just as LA has no economic interest in regulating oil.

Economic interests supersede environmental interests and the citizens suffer.

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"I've made a career of body counts of dead fish and wildlife made that way from coal," said Dennis Lemly, a U.S. Forest Service research biologist who has spent decades chronicling the deformities pollution from coal mining has caused in fish. "How many years and how many cases does it take before somebody will step up to the plate and say, `Wait a minute, we need to change this'?"

The spill of a coal-cleaning chemical into a river in Charleston, W.Va., that left 300,000 people without water exposes a potentially new and under-regulated risk to water from the coal industry, at a time when the federal government is still trying to close regulatory gaps that have contributed to coal's long legacy of water pollution.

Chief among them are discharges from coal-fired power plants that alone are responsible for 50 to 60 percent of all toxic pollution entering the nation's water, according to the Environmental Protection Agency.
There are countless stories like these. It's not scare tactics and propaganda, it's facts and environmental disasters affecting people's health and lives. To say corporate pollution is just a myth or dystopian future is ignorant and patently false.

West Virginia Chemical Spill

We need to invest in clean, renewable energy. It'll spare our environment, our health and foster economic growth.

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Old 02-18-2017, 03:23 AM
 
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So, I can kill a bunch of people, blow up a school, a nursing home and G-d only knows what else and walk away.

So much for regulations.
Thats trump for ya!!!
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Old 02-18-2017, 03:36 AM
 
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You've identified the problem. Let's work on making alternative energy cheaper so we don't have to depend on environment destroying fossil fuels.
And so we can get out of that Mideast turmoil.
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Old 02-18-2017, 04:38 AM
 
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Clearly the solution is to do away with the EPA and all corresponding regulation. We all know how great the fossil fuel industry (or really any industry) is at self-regulating ...
And, it will be soooo great now that we have someone who is in the pocket of the fossil fuel industry at the head of the EPA.
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Old 02-18-2017, 04:43 AM
 
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Where the crying over fracking which is doing horrible damage to our country? I am guessing it has to do with wealthy owners making a bundle off of fracking and coal mining being in poorer areas of the country?

Learn about fracking. It is a major source of water and air pollution. I learned about it when researching Kasich. That is how he got jobs in his state. It was poisoning the water supply and some people were not happy.

Why is fracking defended and coal mining not?

Could fracking be worse for the climate than coal? | PolitiFact Rhode Island
You might want to do a bit more research on the fight against fracking. There are lots of liberals who have been fighting fracking. But, that doesn't fit your agenda, so you can ignore it.
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