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He "misspeaks" more often than any other public person now or in history and he never corrects himself. That pattern of lies/misspeaks is a major reason why he is a terrible president. No one knows on any given day what the heck he means. He's supposed to be a world leader whose words are translated into dozens of languages. He needs to be precise.
He didn't misspeak. That was my point. And, how many times did your god, Barack H. Obama lie or misspeak? All the time!
Swedish authorities and criminologists say President Donald Trump is exaggerating crime in Sweden as a result of its liberal policy of accepting refugees from Syria and other Middle Eastern countries.
Statistics show there has been an uptick in some crime categories since the country took in 160,000 asylum-seekers in 2015. But experts said there is no evidence of a major crime wave.
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While there has been an uptick in some crime categories, government statistics from Sweden do not corroborate the claim of a major crime wave due to immigrants.
According to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå), lethal violence (murder, manslaughter and assault that results in death) totaled 112 victims in 2015. That’s up by 25 (a sizable increase) from 2014, but it’s about the same as the number in 2007, which was 111 victims.
“In a long-term perspective, ever since the 1990’s when Brå started the measurements, the trend shows that lethal violence is declining,” the website says.
The group’s latest Swedish Crime survey for 2016 found that 13.3 percent stated that during the course of 2015, they were exposed to offenses that included assault, threats, sexual offenses, robbery, fraud or harassment.
“This is an increase as compared with the preceding year (in 2014 the percentage was 11.3%), but is approximately the same level as in 2005,” the report states. “When compared with 2014, the increase was greatest for threats, sexual offences, and harassment. The results from coming years will show whether the increase for the most recent year is the beginning of a new trend, or a temporary deviation from an otherwise relatively stable level.”
There was also a slight increase in the perception of crime, as the percentage of people with “great concern about crime in society” increased from 22 percent in 2015 to 25 percent in 2016. That’s still down from 29 percent in 2006. The survey also found that the percentage of people “anxious about being a victim of an attack or assault has increased from 11 per cent in 2015 to 15 per cent in 2016, which is the same level as in 2006.”
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Henrik Selin, head of the Department for Intercultural Dialogue at the Swedish Institute, told us the surge of asylum seekers in 2015 has created challenges for Sweden, but he said reports from right-leaning media about a surge of immigrant crime have been “highly exaggerated.”
“So many things are being claimed,” Selin said. “If you look at the facts, there is nothing to support the claim that the crime rate took off after the 160,000 came in 2015.”
Crime has generally been trending down for the last decade, but there was a small uptick last year, he said. While it’s true that immigrants have been over-represented among those committing crimes — particularly in some suburban communities heavily populated by immigrants, he said — the issue of crime and immigration is complex. Upon closer examination, Selin said, researchers have found that the crime is more closely associated with factors like joblessness, poverty and exclusion from society. “It is not clear that immigrants are susceptible to committing such crimes,” he said.
"The crime rate has not skyrocketed," Azita Raji told CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day," citing data showing a weak correlation between terrorism and the migrations.
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"I think that when we talk about these immigration patterns we need to use the facts that are available. There's absolutely no data to support that," Raji said of the Trump administration claims.
Sweden has a population of about 10 million people and has accepted around 200,000 recent migrants, she said.
"Based on that we should be reporting terrorist attacks in Sweden every week. You (saw) no such thing last year," Raji said.
Trump making an announcement to the world that Sweden had a terrorist attack last night is bad. Being laughed at by the US is worse. Being laughed at by the world is even worse than that. Using the excuse that he saw it on a Fox News infotainment show is even worse than that. He might as well have said he saw it on the Good Wife.
Geez--why didn't he just apologize and say he spoke in error?
Trump making an announcement to the world that Sweden had a terrorist attack last night is bad. Being laughed at by the US is worse. Being laughed at by the world is even worse than that. Using the excuse that he saw it on a Fox News infotainment show is even worse than that. He might as well have said he saw it on the Good Wife.
Geez--why didn't he just apologize and say he spoke in error?
He's incapable of admitting an error. He just lies and says he didn't say it and blames the media. His shtick has gotten very old, very quickly to everyone besides the true believers.
Geez--why didn't he just apologize and say he spoke in error?
Because he's a lying sack of crap.
Lookit, even giving trump a pass on Sweden--"he misspoke!" as his lemming apologists are floating--it's not as if he hasn't lied and fabricated other terrorist attacks, or blown all kinds of other stuff out of proportion, lying about the "threat" of Iran, overstating the criminal nature of Mexican immigrants, trying to paint all Muslims--including refugees fleeing ISIS atrocities--as terrorists bent on our destruction, etc., etc.
And the lemmings lap up his bull**** like starving puppies.
This is because trump lemmings are ignorant bigots and chickensh-t cowards.
Lookit, even giving trump a pass on Sweden--"he misspoke!" as his lemming apologists are floating--it's not as if he hasn't lied and fabricated other terrorist attacks, or blown all kinds of other stuff out of proportion, lying about the "threat" of Iran, overstating the criminal nature of Mexican immigrants, trying to paint all Muslims--including refugees fleeing ISIS atrocities--as terrorists bent on our destruction, etc., etc.
And the lemmings lap up his bull**** like starving puppies.
This is because trump lemmings are ignorant bigots and chickensh-t cowards.
And even if he "misspoke" about this, he's not speaking accurately (see post 442 for background on this).
Either way you looking at it, he's lying:
Option 1) He made up a terrorist attack in Sweden - obviously a lie
Option 2) He "misspoke" and meant to say that Sweden is a disaster and having tons of problems...according to the statistics that is not true. This is a complete over-exaggeration. Again, lying.
Both options support his simplistic argument that he wants to make to push his agenda...
Implying that there was some sort of major incident in another country might get a pass, but he makes stuff up all the time. Furthermore, he was using it to forward his "slam the borders shut because evil brown people" agenda.
No pass. And I do give him one here and there because some stuff is objectively harmless and a minor blunder.
I do NOT like him, but even he gets a pass on minor stuff.
I don't think making up incidents to forward an agenda is minor.
Even if that were true, do you think that bringing up Sweden changed anyone's mind one way or the other on the subject. Europe has definitely had problems because they allowed huge numbers of refugees to flood across their borders in a very short time. That is not new and it doesn't even matter if its happening in Sweden or not other than to the Swedes.......doesn't change the big picture point he was making.
Even if that were true, do you think that bringing up Sweden changed anyone's mind one way or the other on the subject. Europe has definitely had problems because they allowed huge numbers of refugees to flood across their borders in a very short time. That is not new and it doesn't even matter if its happening in Sweden or not other than to the Swedes.......doesn't change the big picture point he was making.
Actually...it does matter. Because Sweden is NOT encountering a major crime wave, as Trump "meant" to suggest (see above).
I'm not saying Europe isn't encountering issues related to immigration - but facts do matter here. The reason they matter is because they tell you how to respond to this issue. For example: if there is, indeed, a major crime wave, you would respond completely differently than if it's just a blip or people that are having issues adjusting.
Garbage in, garbage out. You make bad policy when it's based on incorrect or untrue data.
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Trump never said there was a terrorist attack in Sweden, nor did he allude to one. He said, "...when you look at whats happening ...in Sweden ..." He didn't mention any particular event. He was talking about the rise in violence and crime in Sweden, which includes a huge increase in incidents of rape according to multiple sources. And at least one such report was featured on Fox News by Tucker Carlson on Friday.
Do you know how to use search engines? Do you know how to do research? Do it!
But there is no huge increase in incidents of rape or large increase in the crime rate in Sweden. I have family in Sweden, and in this thread we are lucky enough to have a resident of Sweden and two From Finland posting REAL information about Sweden, have you read their posts? What reason would they have to lie, and how could they be lying since they have posted reliable sources for their claims?
Trump fell for a sensationalist edited Fox video, that is bad enough if it happens to you or I, but it is real scary when we have a President who does not have the intellectual curiosity to check it out before he started jacking his jaws about it. He has many more resources at hand than we do, what possible excuse is there for him not asking someone on his staff to verify the information?
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