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He listed cities in Europe that have suffered terrorist attacks and then asked us to look at what happened in Sweden on Friday night. A reasonable person would correlate terrorist attacks in those cities and Sweden being listed with those cities that Trump must be referencing some attack that occurred in Sweden on Friday night. He walked us down the path to that conclusion.
Being a lack of activity in Sweden on Friday night, a reasonable person was left to wonder what Trump was talking about.
It is more like he is a child thinking we all know what he is talking about because we all saw what he was watching the same report he saw.
What do you think you are accomplishing by overreacting?
Do you act this way about every blessed news report you see about any event when the press slings out partial and incomplete stories or do you wait until you get more info to decide what's really going on?
We are talking about the President talking out of his a$$. He should be a little more informed then a 3rd grader.
The point is how unregulated immigration has led to issues with the country. It's a very simple point to understand.
It's a joke this thread has gone this long.
It's not a joke when people keep ignoring that even his "misspoken" point isn't accurate, either.
Option 1) He made up a terrorist attack in Sweden - obviously a lie
Option 2) He "misspoke" and meant to say that Sweden is a disaster and having tons of problems...according to the statistics that is not true. This is a complete over-exaggeration. Again, lying.
Swedish authorities and criminologists say President Donald Trump is exaggerating crime in Sweden as a result of its liberal policy of accepting refugees from Syria and other Middle Eastern countries.
Statistics show there has been an uptick in some crime categories since the country took in 160,000 asylum-seekers in 2015. But experts said there is no evidence of a major crime wave.
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While there has been an uptick in some crime categories, government statistics from Sweden do not corroborate the claim of a major crime wave due to immigrants.
According to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå), lethal violence (murder, manslaughter and assault that results in death) totaled 112 victims in 2015. That’s up by 25 (a sizable increase) from 2014, but it’s about the same as the number in 2007, which was 111 victims.
“In a long-term perspective, ever since the 1990’s when Brå started the measurements, the trend shows that lethal violence is declining,” the website says.
The group’s latest Swedish Crime survey for 2016 found that 13.3 percent stated that during the course of 2015, they were exposed to offenses that included assault, threats, sexual offenses, robbery, fraud or harassment.
“This is an increase as compared with the preceding year (in 2014 the percentage was 11.3%), but is approximately the same level as in 2005,” the report states. “When compared with 2014, the increase was greatest for threats, sexual offences, and harassment. The results from coming years will show whether the increase for the most recent year is the beginning of a new trend, or a temporary deviation from an otherwise relatively stable level.”
There was also a slight increase in the perception of crime, as the percentage of people with “great concern about crime in society” increased from 22 percent in 2015 to 25 percent in 2016. That’s still down from 29 percent in 2006. The survey also found that the percentage of people “anxious about being a victim of an attack or assault has increased from 11 per cent in 2015 to 15 per cent in 2016, which is the same level as in 2006.”
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Henrik Selin, head of the Department for Intercultural Dialogue at the Swedish Institute, told us the surge of asylum seekers in 2015 has created challenges for Sweden, but he said reports from right-leaning media about a surge of immigrant crime have been “highly exaggerated.”
“So many things are being claimed,” Selin said. “If you look at the facts, there is nothing to support the claim that the crime rate took off after the 160,000 came in 2015.”
Crime has generally been trending down for the last decade, but there was a small uptick last year, he said. While it’s true that immigrants have been over-represented among those committing crimes — particularly in some suburban communities heavily populated by immigrants, he said — the issue of crime and immigration is complex. Upon closer examination, Selin said, researchers have found that the crime is more closely associated with factors like joblessness, poverty and exclusion from society. “It is not clear that immigrants are susceptible to committing such crimes,” he said.
"The crime rate has not skyrocketed," Azita Raji told CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day," citing data showing a weak correlation between terrorism and the migrations.
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"I think that when we talk about these immigration patterns we need to use the facts that are available. There's absolutely no data to support that," Raji said of the Trump administration claims.
Sweden has a population of about 10 million people and has accepted around 200,000 recent migrants, she said.
"Based on that we should be reporting terrorist attacks in Sweden every week. You (saw) no such thing last year," Raji said.
Do you have data that says something else?
If you want to make this about "Europe", even that isn't really true, either. You missed this, so I'll post again:
Trump said Germany "is crime-riddled right now" because of migration to Europe.
There are more criminal acts in Germany these days because there are more people, thanks to the influx of 1.1 million refugees in 2015 alone.
But the data suggest that the refugees tend to be better-behaved than the typical German. Even if you presume that refugee-related crime is underreported for political reasons, we could find no evidence in German media reports that the country warrants Trump's riddled-with-crime characterization.
Because his statement contains some element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression, we rate it Meist Falsch — Mostly False.
There are certainly issues with the refugees coming into Europe (That was A LOT of people coming in in a short time), mostly related to employment and general cultural assimilation. But it is not a widespread crime-riddled wasteland.
But, the comparison to America is a bit erroneous in two ways:
1) We have been (and would be in the future) letting in FAR fewer refugees than would go to Europe. A VERY small fraction of total refugees (in a country that is far larger than any comparative European country). In the link below, you'll see that only 0.1% of all refugees resettled in the US last year.
The process starts with the United Nations’ refugee agency, the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). It conducts interviews and screenings, including home country reference checks and biological screenings such as iris scans. Then the UNHCR decides if an applicant is suitable for resettlement and which country he or she can apply to. (Out of more than 65 million refugees worldwide, about 0.1 percent were resettled to the United States last year.) Another international organization assists with resettlement processing by collecting documents and conducting more interviews with the families, looking carefully for discrepancies.
By the time Homeland Security steps in to conduct an interview, the officer has a stack of biographical information on the refugee. Ironically, Iraqis, Syrians and Iranians, who are all now barred from entering the United States, are far and away the most well-documented refugees we interview. I typically had to review a raft of high school degrees, baptismal certificates, marriage and birth certificates, honors and awards, photos with U.S. service personnel, recommendations from American military members, and conscription booklets or cards, which every man in those countries has to carry. Since the United States has been in Iraq for more than 10 years, the government has a plethora of information on Iraqis — in many cases, terrorists, criminals and persecutors are recognizable and denied. In one instance, because we had this information, I knew that a man had worked with Saddam Hussein’s intelligence agency for years and potentially tortured people, and, because of checks already in place, his application was rejected.
The Homeland Security officer then conducts a detailed interview. Every word is recorded so it can be matched up with other documentation and past interviews. Some refugees are so fearful of forgetting some detail of their lives that they bring notes to the interviews to remember everything exactly. Applicants have been reprimanded or denied for having those notes because of concerns that they are fixing their scripts. Every detail of their cases is pored over and exhaustively analyzed. In one instance, while reviewing a case, I came across a report of a refugee who had handed someone a piece of fruit at a checkpoint. The incident was thoroughly investigated to determine whether the person had provided material support to a potential terrorist organization.
Next, our government performs its own intensive screening. The refugees’ information and fingerprints (also taken by Homeland Security officers) are run through the databases of nine law enforcement, intelligence and security agencies and matched against criminal databases and biographical information such as past visa applications. Behind the scenes, officers and supervisors of varying political stripes debate and discuss each case endlessly. At U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services headquarters, officers conduct more research, reconciling multiple interview notes, country conditions and background checks. They are trained to spot “red flags” or issues that might make someone inadmissible. If a national security threat emerges, certain nationalities are placed under tighter scrutiny.
If you’re bored by now just reading about the process, imagine refugees waiting years in a camp, freezing in tents and unable to put their children in school. Some continue to receive threats — and some applicants are killed while waiting. That fate could await those whose visas were revoked after Trump’s order and those still navigating the approval process.
Well there are far more refugees in Europe than in Sacramento.
And, clearly lots of Europeans do not agree with you.
But, that's a whole other thread so I'm not going to derail this one to debate that.
As I suggested earlier, try reading the posts in this thread from residents of Finland and Sweden and get their perspective on this, it would be more useful than you assuming that "lots of Europeans" don't agree with me. And I never said that there are more refugees in Sacramento than in Europe but what is the significance of that, if you are sure that they intend to harm us, then it's just as bad to have 10,000 as it would be to have 100,000 right?
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