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Wth are you talking about? A separate GENOME would mean it is a different species.
No, your biological understanding seems limited. Each human has a unique genome (exception for identical twins). The genome of a child in a womb, is not the genome of the mother, it is the genome of a completely different human being. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genome
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Human genomes include both protein-coding DNA genes and noncoding DNA. Haploid human genomes, which are contained in germ cells (the egg and sperm gamete cells created in the meiosis phase of sexual reproduction before fertilization creates a zygote) consist of three billion DNA base pairs, while diploid genomes (found in somatic cells) have twice the DNA content. While there are significant differences among the genomes of human individuals (on the order of 0.1%),[1] these are considerably smaller than the differences between humans and their closest living relatives, the chimpanzees (approximately 4%[2]) and bonobos.
I'm pretty liberal on most issues, but I agree with Pedro on this. If it is wrong to kill a baby on Day +1, why is it OK on Day -1? I think most prochoice people intrinsically agree, but are afraid that giving in an inch on this issue will be a slippery slope. If both sides could agree on restrictions for the 3rd trimester (which affects barely anyone) and no restrictions in the 1st trimester, then we could just debate the in-between.
Late term abortions are much rarer than the pro-life activists would like people to believe. Remember the fake video that Carly Fiorina referred to that was so controversial last year? The people who made the video were indicted in Texas, although the charges were later dropped. The fact is that about 1% of women in the U.S. seek an abortion past the 5th or 6th month.
EDIT: I meant to write "1% of women who have an abortion" not "1% of women" About 92% of all abortions nationwide are performed within the first 13 weeks.
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Again, you are valuing life because you view that life as lesser, sub human, less than human due to its current state. Like the other poster, you place varying values on life, no different than others in history who place varying levels on life based on numerous rationalized processes.
Using your logical base and applying it, I could make the argument that this man:
Is "lesser" and not as important as a fully developed human because he is not completely developed as a normal human is.
You argue semantics and place values on life.
Now YOU are comparing apples to oranges.
That man does not require a parasitic relationship with another human being to stay alive.
His existence does not threaten the health or life of another.
And yes, the life of a fetus is lesser than the life of the mother.
The mother has autonomy, the fetus doesn't.....and until it does it is lesser than.
No, your biological understanding seems limited. Each human has a unique genome (exception for identical twins). The genome of a child in a womb, is not the genome of the mother, it is the genome of a completely different human being. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genome
And that means squat......it does not automatically endow the fetus with rights that preclude those of the mother.
Human DNA + heartbeat = human. It's illegal to murder a human.
The entire abortion discussion is no more complicated than this.
Anyone who attempts to complicate it beyond this is trying to justify the murder of a human. In civilization, a priori we don't justify the murders of innocent humans.
This axiom can said to be a cornerstone of our civilization, and a core philosophical foundation of the strict law that prohibits murder.
Women have control of their bodies, and control of their choice, when they make the decision to either have or not have sex. That's where this control begins and ends.
Instances of rape are a moral complication that would need to be discussed. However, by far most abortions aren't due to rape and so other prohibition on abortion would reduce abortions to a minimum.
This might also reduce casual sex rates, thus reduce the spread of STD's, thus increase family commitment and cohesion, thus improve child outcomes, thus reduce crime, and thus increase overall life satisfaction for the average person.
And that means squat......it does not automatically endow the fetus with rights that preclude those of the mother.
Whatever gave you the idea that it did?
The mother's right to what, exactly?
The mother has rights. She just doesn't have the right to impinge on the rights of another individual, such as the right to life.
The mother conceived the child. She made the choice to engage in the act that created the separate life, and thus she made a choice that saddled her with the responsibility to carry this life to term.
That man does not require a parasitic relationship with another human being to stay alive.
His existence does not threaten the health or life of another.
And yes, the life of a fetus is lesser than the life of the mother.
The mother has autonomy, the fetus doesn't.....and until it does it is lesser than.
There isn't any allowance in the law for autonomy determining that the rights of one individual are greater than the rights of another. Sorry.
You are inventing your 'lesser than' doctrine out of wishful thinking and thin air. There is no legal basis for your thesis. Moreover, the mother's decision to engage in the act that led to conception is where the mother made her choice in regard to her right to be without a dependent.
There isn't any allowance in the law for autonomy determining that the rights of one individual are greater than the rights of another. Sorry.
You are inventing your 'lesser than' doctrine out of wishful thinking and thin air. There is no legal basis for your thesis. Moreover, the mother's decision to engage in the act that led to conception is where the mother made her choice in regard to her right to be without a dependent.
individual - a single organism capable of independent existence
That does not describe a fetus.
The woman is an individual, the fetus is not..... it cannot have rights that trump those of its host, the woman.
Even though having sex can lead to pregnancy, having sex does not mean a woman has consented to pregnancy.
The law? Abortion has always been legal to save the life of the mother, even the most stringent pro-lifers agree that abortion is proper if it is done to save the life of the mother.
What does that mean? It means the life of the mother has more value than the life of the fetus.
And there you have it.
The fetus is lesser than. Legally, morally and biologically.
The mother has rights. She just doesn't have the right to impinge on the rights of another individual, such as the right to life.
The mother conceived the child. She made the choice to engage in the act that created the separate life, and thus she made a choice that saddled her with the responsibility to carry this life to term.
The woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy she does not want to carry. Aborting is taking responsibility.
A fetus does not have a right to use a woman's body against her will. It does not have rights that trump those of the mother as it IS lesser than the woman. The woman has no responsibility to carry a pregnancy to term. Where did you get that idea anyway?
Pregnancy is not a benign condition, it can and does kill.
The woman is the only individual, the only person, who gets to decide whether she should risk her health, her very life, to carry a pregnancy.
The baby inside her is not her life, therefore she is violating the unborn's rights. She is also violating the rights of the child's father to NOT abort.
The fetus does not have rights that trump those of the woman.
The father does not risk his health or life to carry the pregnancy, so no, he does not get a vote.
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