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shrug all you like, many things in life are more important than something else. in the case of a woman's ability to control her own reproduction and live her life according to her won value, yes the woman is more important.
More important than her child. Just as a slave master was more important than the slave, the noble more important than the subject, or the man more important than the woman. This concept of thinking is not new.
More important than her child. Just as a slave master was more important than the slave, the noble more important than the subject, or the man more important than the woman. This concept of thinking is not new.
/shrug
rinse, repeat as often as you like it won't change the fact that women have control over their own reproduction. they get to say if their life is more important or not. the concept of some being more important than others not being new is true, abortion has been around as long as man.
Man you pretty much described and admitted the stance of many pro-lifers is that getting that fetus developed and out of the womb is the only matter of importance then after that the hell with it. Parents have no further responsibility and hey maybe someone will find some way to help that baby through its life, yep, maybe. Oh well, who cares just so long as it gets born.
Except that is not my argument or position, that is the devious straw man you concocted.
rinse, repeat as often as you like it won't change the fact that women have control over their own reproduction. they get to say if their life is more important or not. the concept of some being more important than others not being new is true, abortion has been around as long as man.
Don't get angry at me, it is your position, your argument. You have argued that the mothers life is more important than the child. As I have said clearly, you put a value on life, I do not.
Don't get angry at me, it is your position, your argument. You have argued that the mothers life is more important than the child. As I have said clearly, you put a value on life, I do not.
I am not angry in the least. you most certainly put a value on life if you feel a fetus has more rights than the woman who carries it.
"you can not respect the liberty of the parent by forcing them to attend the offspring in such a manner"
same can be said for a woman that does not want to remain pregnant for 9 months, labor, deliver, or adopt out a child. to gestate for 9 months against her will IS going against her liberty. she risks her death, and overall health in some cases. in many cases she risk the loss of her job, or her economic status.
Risk of death and certain death are not the same. You are not arguing apples to apples. once the child is born, we have other options to allow others to take responsibility over the child. Before that, the mother refusing responsibility is a death sentence. The mother has no right to decide that her child should die as the life of the child is equally as important as the mother.
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Originally Posted by hothulamaui
many people can't/won't put themselves in the shoes of another. finding the whole experience and reality of pregnancy, birth, far removed and abstract from their life to see the realities of an unwanted pregnancy.
You have no clue who I am, you make assumptions, you make claims you have no means to support. There are many who have argued against abortion and have walked in every shoe you would claim. The immature argument of "you just don't understand" doesn't validate your claim.
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Originally Posted by hothulamaui
don't want an abortion don't have one. mind your sperm if you don't like abortion. leave my reproduction and every other woman their own liberty
considering that the majority of abortions are done out of convenience, I could say "Don't want the responsibility of a child, don't take the risk of sex". You don't get to act irresponsible and then kill someone because it is an inconvenience. That is the sign of someone suffering from mental illness.
'unborn babies' trump is pro life...Well men getting a discectomy are denying babies life...There is the argument
You are too clever for me. Good luck with that brilliant argument and word selection! /facepalm
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