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The Democrats have gone too far to the right. Basically, today's Democrats are the Eisenhower era Republicans, and the Republicans (minus Chester Cheetah) are to the right of Atilla the Hun
Keep thinking that! Your party is in the midst of exploding and you don't even see it....
What they need to do is emphasize economic issues favorable to the middle/working class.
That's where they used to be and that was the basis for their success for many years. Now, they concentrate on fringe issues that aren't on most voters' radar screens.
This is exactly right. The Democrats steamrolled elections from 1932 until 1980 or so by focusing on issues that directly impacted the working/middle class. This is precisely why trump and Sanders resonated with people. The Democrats started focusing too much on identity politics, abortion and making excuses for muslims. Republicans focused too much on foreign-nation building, abortion and providing cheap illegal labor.
The Democrats have gone too far to the right. Basically, today's Democrats are the Eisenhower era Republicans, and the Republicans (minus Chester Cheetah) are to the right of Atilla the Hun
way off dude
the dems were taken over by the far left fascist liberals and have moved so far to the left they don't even mind admitting they want to be called socialists
FDR brought socialism/fascism (the 3rd way) into America, and we continue to move farther left...until every so often the PEOPLE get ticked off at the far left freedom killing liberals
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If Ellison wins the DNC chair, as it seems he will on Saturday, Sanders' political philosophy/policies/ direction will have won control of the DNC, in my opinion. Feel free to say why you don't.
Do you want the Democrat party to move further Left or move more to the center of the political spectrum? Why do you think your choice is a winning strategy for future elections?
Ellison would have won the DNC chairmanship, it remains to be seen if they win control of the party( elections for state party leadership wont be till next year).
Ellison is going to have to walk a fine line. If he truly wants to build the party, he will have to distance himself from Southern Democrats and let them do the same from him.
To answer the question though, it is neither, The party will fracture and become regional(it already is in a way), their will be less of a national message and more focus on local Dems.
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The NYTimes wrote in an opinion piece yesterday that the Democrats should abandon the white, working class voters of the Midwest and concentrate on recapturing the "uninspired" voters who abandoned the Democrats in the 2016 presidential election and voted third party by forging a more Progressive Democrat Party. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/o...democrats.html This was an interesting assertion and why I started this thread, actually.
That would only get us the Presidency, it doesnt help to win back State legislatures or House seats.
If Ellison wins the DNC chair, as it seems he will on Saturday, Sanders' political philosophy/policies/ direction will have won control of the DNC, in my opinion. Feel free to say why you don't.
Do you want the Democrat party to move further Left or move more to the center of the political spectrum? Why do you think your choice is a winning strategy for future elections?
Since one party cannot contain so many different opinions, it's time to split up and create a multi partisan system. These people have nothing in common and cannot live under one roof. ״One size fits all״ isn't working anymore.
Entrancement of some socialistic principles and ideas does not equate to communism.
The problem with communism is not the idea itself (ie the desire for everyone to be equal), it is what is required in its application (the forcing of people to obtain equality). So, a little bit of communism (aka socialism) is no different than a little bit of rape. Both force an individual to comply to a given requirement and regardless of how much occurs, the violation has occurred.
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Or do you want to have another Constitutional discussion again regarding the "general welfare of the United States" clause (e.g. where you ignore my main arguments and points)?
There is no discussion, you are wrong and abusing those clauses. You were right about one thing though, our country has changed and it was attacked by progressives over a 100 years ago by eroding the understanding of our form of government. So you can parrot off your communistic rhetoric, but you are wrong and the founders show you to be wrong at the basis of their arguments during the ratification debates, the federalist and the anti-federalist papers. Why do you think case precedence law was put into place? It is so they can fast track a ruling and then ignore the original intent, there by allowing the changing of our system over time.
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A very large continuum exists between pure capitalism and pure communism.
any form of communism is incompatible with a liberty based government as ANY element of its application requires the FORCING of the individual to compliance. As I said, it doesn't matter if you rape a person just a "little", it is still against their will.
If Ellison wins the DNC chair, as it seems he will on Saturday, Sanders' political philosophy/policies/ direction will have won control of the DNC, in my opinion. Feel free to say why you don't.
Do you want the Democrat party to move further Left or move more to the center of the political spectrum? Why do you think your choice is a winning strategy for future elections?
i don't think terms like "left" and "center" are sufficient to describe what the democratic party should do
basically anybody who can cobble together a coalition of anti-wall street, anti-war, pro-feminist, pro-legal immigrant ought to do fine. They don't need to be extreme on any of these issues, just have some kind of coherent history of supporting the same thing over a long period of time.
oh and actually have real primaries without trying to shove one candidate down everyone's throat.
I'm not a Democrat, but if they want to reinvigorate their party, they need to move to the left economically, while dropping the divisive, extreme social positions.
The center is now too far right and needs to be brought farther to the left.
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