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Old 02-23-2017, 09:39 AM
 
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Since this board is dominated by Trump supporters, making it near impossible to have a civilized discussion on Democratic issues, I'd like to start an ongoing thread for that purpose.

How did you all feel about the DNC debate last night? Are you leaning towards anyone in particular? Do you think they will make a difference? I know Ellison and Perez are the top contenders, but I kinda liked Peter Buttgieg. He seemed well-spoken, intelligent, and knew the issues from what I saw of him.

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Old 02-23-2017, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I like Tom Perez. Democrats really need to reconnect with labor and he's the guy who is best positioned to do that. Ellison is a good guy but the timing is not right for the DNC's public face to be a Muslim. Buttigieg looks to be a rising star for Dems. Right now he's not quite ready for that job, but keep an eye on him, he's probably going to become more prominent.
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Old 02-23-2017, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Buttigieg has an intriguing combination of identity points: Rhodes Scholar, US Navy Reserve officer, Afghanistan veteran, gay. He called Trump a "draft-dodging chicken hawk" at a candidate's forum not too long ago.

He's only 35 now, which is seven years younger than the youngest president ever. Millennials will probably love him, but he may be a better bet for 2024 than 2020.
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Old 02-23-2017, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Tom Perez represents the establishment and that already failed with Clinton. I don't think he should be the DNC chair.

The DNC needs new leadership, I am torn between Ellison and Buttgieg. They both are pretty progressive, which is what the DNC needs right now as the GOP keeps moving farther right. However, Buttgieg holds the distinction of being younger and seen as more in line with millennials which are very progressive and will constitute 40% of the entire voting base in 2020. The DNC needs to fire up millennials the way Sanders did around a progressive platform and that'll get them out to vote, otherwise it will be business as usual and the DNC will continue losing seats left and right and then scratch their head when another Trump rolls around.
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Old 02-23-2017, 12:15 PM
 
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I think we need to go young.

As sad as it is our dumb younger dem supporters are so self involved they couldn't be bothered to show up and vote in 2016 because "Hillary did not speak to me" , "Hillary and Trump are the same" etc.

It is a pity but we need them even though they cost us an election.

We absolutely DONT need more of the same, and frankly talking about a 50 state strategy does not magically fix the democratic party.

I am liking Buttigieg. but I have not finished watching the debate. So far they are spending far too much time talking about Trump, he is effectively in the past, Trump is a one and done POTUS, that is not all that likely to even go the term.
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Old 02-23-2017, 12:21 PM
 
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I think we need to go young.

As sad as it is our dumb younger dem supporters are so self involved they couldn't be bothered to show up and vote in 2016 because "Hillary did not speak to me" , "Hillary and Trump are the same" etc.

It is a pity but we need them even though they cost us an election.

We absolutely DONT need more of the same, and frankly talking about a 50 state strategy does not magically fix the democratic party.

I am liking Buttigieg. but I have not finished watching the debate. So far they are spending far too much time talking about Trump, he is effectively in the past, Trump is a one and done POTUS, that is not all that likely to even go the term.
I agree. Getting the young generation motivated to vote is crucial. Easier said than done though. At the same time, I feel like a big chunk of the country is turned off by Bernie style policies; they view them as communist and socialist which are both dirty words to a lot of people.

I'm really not sure what side is ultimately better. If you look at the rest of the Western World who are far more progressive and socialist, they have much higher quality of living than we do and people are generally happier. At the same time, they have their own issues.

The right argues Capitalism is superior, but how is that working? 1% of the population owns 90% of the wealth. Heck, Trump's Cabinet alone has more money between them than 1/3 of of the US population. And we know trickle down economics is an absolute failure and has been for decades.

So I don't believe pure Capitalism is a good thing either.
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Old 02-23-2017, 12:28 PM
 
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I haven't watched the debate yet. I got too.much stuff going on. I'll have to watch it this weekend and I need to reregister as a Democrat.
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Old 02-23-2017, 12:35 PM
 
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I have nothing personally against Keith Ellison, but electing him thrills scumbags like David Duke simply because he is black and a Muslim. He also is a working Congressman. The chairman needs to be a full time job and not someone who can be easily used as a punching bag and recruiting poster for bigots.
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:13 PM
 
Location: USA
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I agree. Getting the young generation motivated to vote is crucial. Easier said than done though. At the same time, I feel like a big chunk of the country is turned off by Bernie style policies; they view them as communist and socialist which are both dirty words to a lot of people.

I'm really not sure what side is ultimately better. If you look at the rest of the Western World who are far more progressive and socialist, they have much higher quality of living than we do and people are generally happier. At the same time, they have their own issues.

The right argues Capitalism is superior, but how is that working? 1% of the population owns 90% of the wealth. Heck, Trump's Cabinet alone has more money between them than 1/3 of of the US population. And we know trickle down economics is an absolute failure and has been for decades.

So I don't believe pure Capitalism is a good thing either.

Socialism is a trade. You give up freedom and individuality in return for a PROMISE of security. The problem is these promises are often broken. No government or organization can give you peace of mind and protect you from the realities of life. Life is a learning experience with many challenges and nobody can protect you from it. That's why Socialism doesn't work. The world isn't perfect.

Why not prefer Capitalism? The reality of the situation is that the economy grows because people engage in consensual transactions and people invent new things in order to engage in more consensual transactions. That's not an impoverished thing. The truth is that socialism is the most selfish philosophy on Planet Earth because it's the concept where I breathe, therefore i deserve. Capitalism is in essence forced altruism because if I don't give you something you want then I'll starve so therefore it's based on consent. Socialism is based on force.

As for income inequality. Income inequality is awesome. A lot of people deserve to be poor because of the decisions that they made. The problem is when the poor people make horrible financial decisions which are based off subsidized degeneracy. Even a liberal should know that when you subsidize something you get more of it. When you reward poor people in the city for making horrible decisions you get more horrible decisions. This is why you continue to see impoverished inner cities. If
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Old 06-22-2017, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Homeless
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I think we need to go young.

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I work with a girl who MIGHT be 19 and she has no interest in politics what so ever. Maybe it's because of her age/maturity. I'm not sure. My wife's kids are 19 and 16 and feel like that politics are nothing but a joke and the government is feeding us lies, and trying to get us to trust them no matter what it takes.


I tend to believe this as well look around you we've never been more divided as a nation, even when Bush Jr was president. Things are going terribly wrong and the next generation shares that belief as well.


Maybe that will change as they get older. For now though it's not a good start.
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