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View Poll Results: What is more important?
Facts are more important. 13 92.86%
Ideology is more important. 1 7.14%
Voters: 14. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-23-2017, 02:03 PM
 
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I think facts and ideology are inseparable.
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:04 PM
 
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I think facts and ideology are inseparable.
Facts often show the flaws in many ideologies though. So they are separate even though they may intertwine at times.
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:06 PM
 
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I think facts and ideology are inseparable.
I think they are seperable. Facts can exist without ideology and ideology can exist without facts. Of course ideology without facts is just a form of fantasy. But facts without ideology are still just facts.
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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Well heck, what you believe defiantly means more than fact or science. Just ask any Trump supporter.
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:11 PM
 
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Well heck, what you believe defiantly means more than fact or science. Just ask any Trump supporter.
Here we have a perfect case of ideology driving facts.

Thank you, I couldn't have asked for a more perfect example.
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:13 PM
 
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The thing about facts is that people don't want a factual or analytical explanation that leaves them emotionally unsatisfied. You shouldn't dodge the truth simply because people may suffer from the truth.
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:16 PM
 
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It seems many have gone down the road of I only look at the facts, or maybe "alternative facts", that support my ideology instead of the opposite being true. In some ways it is much easier that way. Why change your ideology when you can just change the facts. But I believe the truth doesn't care about liberal or conservative, it exists, has existed and will exist long after humanity is gone and those definitions fade away. Facts exist whether we believe them or not. Obviously, admitting you are incorrect is difficult for all and impossible for some. Yet if we are to move forward and not backwards facts will have to regain there once prominent position even if they don't suit our ideology.

As Sherlock Holmes said, "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly, one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."
The essential problem begins when we go on to say that fact X means thus and such. It is usually at this point that ideology comes on stage.
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