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Old 03-01-2017, 05:41 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
It's in the opening sentence

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

You too are a little late to the party and should scroll back to see my point, but you show the point, exactly.


There it is... Promote, with provide in the same sentence. So to promote welfare, does not mean provide, and never has meant it.
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Old 03-01-2017, 05:46 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What

Well, it seems you finally found the word you insisted is not there

Senior moment......

No, it was my point.
Please don't ever take the stand to get cross examined!!!


They will ask the same question, and when you are so happy to prove the other how they are oh-so wrong, you actually prove their case.

The constitution does not say to provide welfare, and with provide in the same sentence, they surely have never meant the same thing.

I did the same thing and you guys fell for it, over the words Citizen and People being interchanged to change the constitution.
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Old 03-01-2017, 06:04 PM
 
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You too are a little late to the party and should scroll back to see my point, but you show the point, exactly.


There it is... Promote, with provide in the same sentence. So to promote welfare, does not mean provide, and never has meant it.
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No, it was my point.
Please don't ever take the stand to get cross examined!!!


They will ask the same question, and when you are so happy to prove the other how they are oh-so wrong, you actually prove their case.

The constitution does not say to provide welfare, and with provide in the same sentence, they surely have never meant the same thing.

I did the same thing and you guys fell for it, over the words Citizen and People being interchanged to change the constitution.
I did point out that there is also Article I, section 8, which permits Congress to provide for the general welfare. You appear to be ignoring my posts, but the language is quite clear. The first clause of Article I, section 8 contains it.
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Old 03-01-2017, 07:35 PM
 
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I did point out that there is also Article I, section 8, which permits Congress to provide for the general welfare. You appear to be ignoring my posts, but the language is quite clear. The first clause of Article I, section 8 contains it.
Provide & disberse tho are V diff terms. Many contracts "provide for" via built-in provisions -- yet are seldom invoked or enacted. I see welfare as such. Yes, it hangs in balance, yet discretion as to its prudent use supercedes the mere fact that it is a proviso "on the bks." The 2 are NOT interchangeable & clearly not synonomous.
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Old 03-01-2017, 07:44 PM
 
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Furthermore, where does this new Admin get alot to pay this welfare? Let's budget cut it & stop fraud, etc. We inflated things & printed loot to get this far, & when do chickens come home to roost? Now I bet; as trump will slice this budget kicking unjustified riffraff off.
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Old 03-01-2017, 07:54 PM
 
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I did point out that there is also Article I, section 8, which permits Congress to provide for the general welfare. You appear to be ignoring my posts, but the language is quite clear. The first clause of Article I, section 8 contains it.
US Const isn't a crazy demo ideal of a, "living, breathing document". Hahaha, are you dems for real? No offence here but many libs really think this is open to debate or change. It worked for 250 yrs almost so why NOW does it become suddenly -- obsolete??
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Old 03-01-2017, 08:12 PM
 
Location: 89434
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Dems can provide as much as they desire. Just don't force me (or anyone) to finance their schemes.
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Old 03-01-2017, 08:21 PM
 
Location: USA
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The Constitution literally has the world "welfare", as in "promote the general welfare". Do you know how to read?
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Old 03-02-2017, 04:22 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I did point out that there is also Article I, section 8, which permits Congress to provide for the general welfare.
You left off the rest...

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States"

States, NOT citizen or person. We know there's a distinct difference because both the terms 'citizen' and 'person' are included throughout the Constitution, but neither are present in this particular Constitutional statement. Reading comprehension matters.
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Old 03-02-2017, 04:24 AM
 
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The Constitution literally has the world "welfare", as in "promote the general welfare". Do you know how to read?
Promote, NOT provide. Do you not know how to read?
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