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Old 02-26-2017, 12:50 PM
 
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Anyone and this includes "anyone" with small letters or capital letters, how ever they choose to ingest inclusions.

To ignore, to fail at the study of racism, Yes, from the aspects of Slavery through segregation to present day. Will fail to grasp what there is to learn and what there is to respect of society, America and its people.

History is full of white people who abhorred every aspect of slavery, they were often overwhelmed and beat into silence and sometimes into submission to be silent participant, "against their hearts will" against racist and the horrors and inhumanity of slavery and the indignities of segregation. Equally today, there are many who know within their heart and speak in their mind and show it in their ways in how they engage to embrace the reality of person in how they interact and live in accord and interactive functions with blacks and all other ethnicities. It's quite sad, how the racist of history assaulted white people for the mere fact they would not stand within racism and promote its violence. It too is sad that many were put up against the hard choice of keeping a job or standing up to racism, the cruelty of that was a devastation in the "American system of society"

TODAY, these same character of white people are no longer afraid of the racist, they no longer sit passive and many will no allow themselves to be sucked into the whirlpool of racist ignorance. They build inter-racial friendships, relationships and they have inter-racial kids, they support and when in authority on a job, they promote black people with equality based on the bare and raw reality of capability, skills and abilities, they as well will engage in OJT to help those who want and are willing to learn what is to be learned. Sure, the Racist Hate such !!!! But it will only improve in the blending of Diversity.

Many black people are thought to be racist, because of the sensitives of a history of being denigrated, they may well be and feel challenged at every turn, but it only takes those whom are willing to communicate, that these same black people are more than willing to enjoin with white people, and in some cases, white people should know, it takes time to build a trust that has been damaged over 100's of years. It is insidious and quite arrogant to even expect that all of black society is suppose to flip a switch and automatically trust white people. White people simply has to understand, they have to earn the trust of black people, the "EXACT" same as white people think black people have to earn their respect. But for any white people to think being white means, black people should automatically trust them, is nothing more than elitist arrogance of some supremacist delusion. Trust is built through the interactions of people with the basis of being honest and respectful unto and with each others.

Many white people expect the first hello is suppose to infer that trust. No, be willing to grow and develop trust and you won't be so quick to assume that black people hate you or resent you or think you are covertly racist. The same is true both ways and vice versa. If people can't digest that, they will find inter-racial relations confounding and will become mis directed in how they interpret each other.

THINK... how many times has black people trusted whites only to be damaged in horrible ways, all the way back to slavery, when a man even being a slave gave the white man trust, and the white man turned around and screwed his wife or daughter, and then went to the extreme to sell his wife, his children and treat his daughter like she was a sex toy to be impregnated and tossed to the side while he pursued the next man's daughter. That is within the history white people don't want to know, they don't want to discover and they are eager to deny. Think people!!!! Truth is there, only fear of discovery makes people run from it, and those who want to cling to some delusion that white makes them perfect are quick to deny and even fight against the pursuit of truths discovery.

Black peoples trust has been met with white man calling it weakness and in some cases thinking its stupidity and in turn use it against black people as if they are gullible. Then white man has the audacity to question himself as to why black people have such a demeanor in some situations of showing stand back attitudes to his gesture... Fact is simply, he simply does not know if he can trust you, it's not that he does not want to trust you, its a simple matter of history has demonstrated to him that he must be caution when dealing with white men, because white mans history has shown him that trusting him can be detrimental and dangerous to his life and that of his family. White man has shown black man, that he will sacrifice black man, for the sake of personal gain, whether he has to sacrifice the black mans integrity, character or social standing. Therefore, when white man understand what he did to promote this. Then he has to awaken and accept that his own history is the root of the lack of trust.
We have this very day, Racist groups that demonstrate this principle over and over, we saw it vividly not only in Trump's campaign, we see it in his demeanor as President. We saw it in Ronald Reagan as President, when he not only sacrificed poor blacks, he did the exact to poor whites, when he flooded their community with drugs, to get money for his South American War Games.

So, white people need to get off the kick of thinking black people are some basically violent or angry people. That is absurd, because black people have been throughout American history, the most FORGIVING people in the history of America. It's the white man's time, to awaken and become aware of the ramification of his own historical actions and that of his ethnicity. When he becomes of such awareness, he will be enlightened to learn better how to build inter-racial relations. Poverty breeds despair, cycles of poverty has spread which intensified black of black crime, gangs and such things, this evolved.... such violence of black on black was not dominant in the 1960's as is today, because people were unified with aims of hope. Systemic despair if any care to study social sciences, has many things, which are equally reflective in any ethnic group, the greater the despair the higher the saturation. when all things became distant to attain, drugs was poured in and when that came to pass, so did the break down of the work of many decades go up in smoke, at the desperation's and cut throat cycle that drugs and drug profits as a way out, decimated masses... we see the exact same thing in white society with opiods, crystal meth and heroin couple that with industrial demise, and broken down towns where even small business had dried up and only big box Walmart provide everything, the despair rages like a wild fire. Community colleges forced downwards, vocational and tech made unreachable even for the lesser cost, that is still more than many can support the debt to pursue. University has been re-programmed to be a pathway for the working well to do and the wealthy, and young people are watching multitudes come out with debt, do nothing degree and no jobs and strapped with a loan, they can barely pay the monthly installments. That is not something that motivates, its something that promotes hopeless scenarios. And people watch Executives pay themselves 10's of million and give themselves millions of share of stock, while they have stripped every workers benefit imaginable, and now only want to offer part time work, because it does not require them to respect the worker or pay a wage to sustain themselves. Those are realities that Right Wingers are eager to deny. When many of their own kids, only find work, through friends small 10 person or less shops, and still they get no benefits and likely better not get sick in the process.

These things I'm talking about are many thing that a great many white people understand, and many have always understood as well as their ancestors who long ago understood and learned this, and historically there has always been white people who did not have to try and learn it, they simply never bought into racism of the cultural attitudes and conducts that was part of the racist paradigm. Many white people never elevated above "indentured servititude" they were only give a line of credit for vehicles and a few credit cards with high interest rate, that serves to blind them from the fact of their own destitution... until they day comes they can't make that monthly payment, and repo become the reality, then they wake up, but instead of blaming the elite system, they blame everything else, and will never assume any blame upon themselves and how they contribute to the challenges in society that also become their challenges too.
As to Relations Among People
There are many white men who love black women and want to marry black women, the same as there are black men who love white women and want to marry white women, many not frequent the Asian sites, looking for mates from foreign lands, so go there thinking these women to be passive, because they don't know Asian history, some go there with open minded respect and appreciation of culture and ethnicity, but ultimately the "individualism" which is not based on some pure skin color craziness, but because they came to love each other as simply INDIVIDUALS. They did not limit their concepts of whom to love based on segregation, they based their concept to pursue love based on "individual"..... Racist hate that thought, they hate that basic fact of nature. But their hate can't destroy something God made real in the life of human beings.
God made it so no matter what ethnicity, skin tone or cultural life format, that people could love and procreate together.
No Racists Can ever change that..... They twist the concept of God, when you hear a Racist talking about God, they are themselves and abomination under the very essence of what Gods premise of humanity is about.

There is much people have to learn but haughtiness is so dominant in some they can't see beyond it. This sadly is often found in the dire poor and within the well to do environments, where they base everything on material matter and money, and those are the very things that constituted the function of slavery and segregationist. So, its no wonder that there is so much racism that is often found in the all white economically well to do communities. They don't even understand how they got that way. That's the true tragedy that ignorance invokes in the systems of a history that was developed from the element of slavery. The many institutions that has roots traced back to slave profits, will deny it and try and hide it, but those same institutions do much to promote racist disenfranchisement of blacks and they use the exact same things to economically disenfranchise women. His history was to use women as if she was a possession and something to be controlled, dominated and owned, and he had the same mentality toward black people.

For every step in Civil Rights that is pursued and promoted by black people, equally become a step in Civil Rights that promote women and their cause to be respected as individuals.

Look at the marches today of women, they are marching for the very same principle matters as Civil Rights !!!!

I don't grasp how women became misled by propaganda to vote against Hillary, based on the fiction of emails and Republican Drama and voted for a man who is overt in a history of denigration of women, to the point of promoting his lustful admiration of his own daughter. Sexualizing the concept and person of her, by focusing on her breast and body figure, and being habitually groomed in such ways of mentality, he did it on National Television, not just once, but on numerous occasions. No Talk of Job, should justify that or give that a pass.
President Obama talked about Job, and told Americans THE TRUTH, when he said, "we have to CREATE NEW TYPE OF JOBS", that there is no return of the old jobs, technology no longer needs people wrapping cup cakes, or all the hand labor jobs of the past. We have not had that since the late 1970's and 1980's, and when the computer came, there is no more massive secretarial pools of 50 desk with Typerwrites, there is the computer and data base technology. Trump is not and did not tell the truth, Coal has been a dying industry since the late 1960's with Gas heating in home, gas operated high heat factory needs, and no one is building homes with "coal chutes" and "coal furnaces in the basement". But Obama talked about education and retraining people for the future. Trump has said nothing about Education, he has instead placed a woman with aspirations to "dismantle public schools and privatize it some white men can profit from it", he has no concern about the crazy debt of school loans, because he thinks banks should profit and loans denied to the working poor and dire poor. He has said absolutely nothing about Senior Citizens, because they are beyond the Income Earning Age, he see's them as nothing more than a liability and economic liability. His history shows that he ripped off the same tax system that helps children, seniors, our military and all our American system, then he sued cities to extract tax concession of which the people end up paying higher taxes to pay for his extortion gains. People simply have to look to see what is truth. When Banks won't loan to citizens who file Bankruptcy, they certainly are not going to loan money to a swindler who stiffed them 6 times and then did not pay them what he owed. That is indicative of Trump seeking out the likely hood of Russian Money, because their system supports corruption and they need to wash their money, plus with sanctions, they had to find some way to move their money to avoid it loosing value, so who but Trump, had the vehicle to wash money and hide his tax returns to avoid such discovery.

The poor people Trump duped about Jobs.. should stop, sit down and think>>>> if you are in a no skilled job, and some small company with no benefits as a laborer, then that should tell you, you are not prepared to get the high paying jobs. Those jobs are targeted for the well to do, who forked over money to the elite Universities to have those jobs protected and reserved for their kids. poor people with no skills can't compete with that type of system. But Trump loves the uneducated because they don't think. (we see it with these people fighting against any post that has over three lines of text, they become confused, challenged and confounded and lash out at what they can't comprehend, their slap stick habit of belligerent quips, has not equipped them to digest a paragraph with compound variables discussed. So it is not likely they would read anything that has multiple paragraphs.) Logic tells its truths, so, guaranteed another one will come up and complain about the composition of this post, as they have about others. then they are ignorant enough to boast about 'what they did not read" as if that makes them special. That's the insidiousness of how ignorance functions.

But again , History is what produced the world we live in, and if one has aversion to learning about the real history, not that crap they put in past history books of making the "white man the hero of every story", just the fact of such tells how much of a lie was spread by such stupidity.

Those who choose to seek truth, also seeks to learn, those who see to learn has unbiased their mind that they may ingest to learn how to digest the elements that compose the truths within and of American history, and yes, that includes learning of Slavery... because without learning of slavery one will never understand how man spent the past denigrating the very same Constitution and the Legal System of this Nation and perverting the very system of Capitalism. What will be found, is the ways that AVARICE infected man to enjoin himself with acts of many evils and vanity, trying to compensate for a spiritual weakness and soul that lost any concept of respect for the spectrum of all that makes up humane respect. Instead he perverted the very system of Civil Social Function of City, State, Nation and Persons.

It's time to awaken and change the paradigm... and that has to be done within the hearts of man... If that is done, the rest comes easy, because a just heart goes into making a better world.

Man must learn the principles: History is documented that man can learn of his mistakes, if only he has the will, wisdom and strength to learn and make within himself the changes. Sadly, many are far too weak for such undertakings.

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Old 02-26-2017, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Neither are these new outlets. They were refused entry to just 1 meeting.

There were two press gaggles that day. CNN and the other attended the 1st one. CNN and the other few were not allowed into the 2nd one. And they were told why during the first one. CNN of course doesn't want to mention that.

Why you still defend these people is beyond me.
Eh? What was the other press gaggle that day? I see only one press briefing listed for that day on the White House website
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Old 02-26-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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Sean Spicer targets own staff in leak crackdown - POLITICO

The part I really appreciated was that after having the come-to-Jesus meeting w/his staff about leaking insider info, making them shuck their phones for inspection for privacy apps (WITH attorneys to remind/inform those present that those apps are illegal) that someone in that meeting went out and leaked what happened...
Actually maybe two anonymous sources came forward...maybe the attorneys were the guilty parties...

The more they act like dogs chasing their tails the more they will be laughed at....

People don't leak info about those they respect and feel are acting appropriately...

One item mentioned is that Spicer uses profanity directed at his people when HE feels attacked...
When he has no one specific to hold accountable -- just because he is having a bad day...
That is really professional...not...
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Old 02-26-2017, 05:39 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I'm flabbergasted that people actually feel this way. Fox News was obviously right wing and undermined everyone Obama tried to do but I bet you have no problem with them. Either way, you need to have a free press and for the Trump administration to do this and try and skew the news is a dangerous precedent.
A free press is fine. But most of the mainstream Press is run by Democrat operatives or former Democrat operatives. It is anything but unbiased. Everything they print is to advance the left-wing agenda, or at least, advance the left-wing narrative. That is, they attempt to "shape" public opinion toward the Left. We used to have a term for this. It was called "yellow journalism."

These people are not journalists at all. They are propagandists.
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Old 02-26-2017, 05:48 PM
 
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A free press is fine. But most of the mainstream Press is run by Democrat operatives or former Democrat operatives. It is anything but unbiased. Everything they print is to advance the left-wing agenda, or at least, advance the left-wing narrative. That is, they attempt to "shape" public opinion toward the Left. We used to have a term for this. It was called "yellow journalism."

These people are not journalists at all. They are propagandists.
That's just opinion, the media gives us an insightful look at administrations. They are the eyes and ears of most of the citizens but evidently not you. The fact that you don't like their reporting doesn't mean they are propagandists. If you don't like their stories let's see some specifics rather than just regurgitating what spicer states.
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Old 02-26-2017, 05:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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You know this reeks of Trump trying to put those newspapers
out of business.
Let me get this straight.

CNN, the NY times et al have been publishing fake news for years, twisting stories about Republicans and ignoring bad behavior by Democrats, in an effort to misrepresent the truth and negatively influence voters. And their circulation, viewership etc. has been tumbling for as long as they've been doing it, as normal Americans decide they aren't interested in those groups' B.S. and would rather hear the truth.

And now you're trying to claim that it's Donald Trump who's trying to put them out of business?

That's one of the more ludicrous claims I've heard.

Donald's not putting them out of business. Their own agenda and practices are putting them out of business, and have been since long before Trump entered politics.

Trump's just pointing out what they are doing. In fact, he's telling a lot more truth than they are.

If the truth is putting them out of business, well... so be it. Nobody ever forced them to lie, paint inaccurate pictures of their targets etc.
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Old 02-26-2017, 06:17 PM
 
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Let me get this straight.

CNN, the NY times et al have been publishing fake news for years, twisting stories about Republicans and ignoring bad behavior by Democrats, in an effort to misrepresent the truth and negatively influence voters. And their circulation, viewership etc. has been tumbling for as long as they've been doing it, as normal Americans decide they aren't interested in those groups' B.S. and would rather hear the truth.

And now you're trying to claim that it's Donald Trump who's trying to put them out of business?

That's one of the more ludicrous claims I've heard.

Donald's not putting them out of business. Their own agenda and practices are putting them out of business, and have been since long before Trump entered politics.

Trump's just pointing out what they are doing. In fact, he's telling a lot more truth than they are.

If the truth is putting them out of business, well... so be it. Nobody ever forced them to lie, paint inaccurate pictures of their targets etc.
Whatever makes you sleep better at night but
Trump is trying to squash them because he is a very vindictive
man that never forgives a slight from anybody. He keeps a mental tally of
anyone that has ever crossed him .

Why spend all this time and energy in putting the spotlight on
the left leaning news channels? Have you ever thought it
not proper for a NEW president to spend his first month on ambushing
the news? It is totally bizarre and speaks to Trump's fragile
ego.
Why doesn't he act like a mature man and brush it off , ignore them?
If he did ,we all would be able to go about our daily lives instead of having to be in
the front seat to this spectacle he is putting on in order to divert from something shady going on.
Govern for Pete's sake!!

I have 3 friends that so far are regretting their vote for Trump.
That number will grow for every day he carries on with his childish behavior.
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Old 02-26-2017, 06:20 PM
 
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A free press is fine. But most of the mainstream Press is run by Democrat operatives or former Democrat operatives. It is anything but unbiased. Everything they print is to advance the left-wing agenda, or at least, advance the left-wing narrative. That is, they attempt to "shape" public opinion toward the Left. We used to have a term for this. It was called "yellow journalism."

These people are not journalists at all. They are propagandists.
The right wing media also has a bias and an agenda. Their agenda won this time.

What you all don't seem to understand is that even if you don't agree with the other side or don't like it, you have to let it go on, because this is how a healthy democracy functions, with different points of views and checks and balances

The only thing you do with supporting these types of actions is that you support the demise of your democracy, which has held high standards since its inception. You are allowing a very dangerous door to open to corruption, nepotism and many other destructive tendencies that will affect EVERYONE in the future.
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Old 02-26-2017, 09:30 PM
 
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A free press is fine. But most of the mainstream Press is run by Democrat operatives or former Democrat operatives. It is anything but unbiased. Everything they print is to advance the left-wing agenda, or at least, advance the left-wing narrative. That is, they attempt to "shape" public opinion toward the Left. We used to have a term for this. It was called "yellow journalism."

These people are not journalists at all. They are propagandists.
Nope we have played this falsehood out plenty of times. Someone on the right claims the media just left wing junk...... and then we produce a list of 50 to 100 rightwing outlets.... and then remind you FOX has more viewers than MSNBC and CNN combined....


Now tell me again how unfair it all is on poor ultra rights , tea party, proud boys, gop etch...


You have the most powerful news outlet in the world prepping up the rightwing coalition.
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Old 02-26-2017, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Asia
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[Trump] claims the media is the enemy because they tell lies without sources to back it up.
If you are going to accuse Trump of lying, then you ought to at the very least make sure that your accusation is factually correct.

Did Trump actually state, the media is the enemy, or did he state that reporters who report dishonestly or incorrectly are the enemy?

I trust you can distinguish and understand the significant difference in these statements?
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