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Old 02-25-2017, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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"liberal" doesn't equal intelligent, even Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarians, people of all sexes, faiths (or non), races, political persuasions -- can figure out how to "google" and to read. I form my own Conclusions based on a lot of sources and recommend that others do the same thing. It helps a lot that I read over 50 news stories a day, have done so for decades - AND I remember enough of what I read to often find it again years later. I had no problem find at least 5 articles about the Off the Record spin rooms that the "elite" press attended to Spin the news. Actually - the "narrow minded" live in Echo Chambers and believe everything they are told by the "elite press" that have stated Agendas. Inquiring minds take all news with some scepticism until they gather more information. Basic Rule here is -- IF they admit Agenda, IF they get caught in LIES, IF they use a lot of 'weasel words' and Vitriol - then triple check everything they present as "News".

First - a few terms so everyone understands what we are talking about.

1). The Daily Press Briefing (which is actually not "daily") is held in the Press Briefing Room and open to those who have press credentials. TeamTrump has expanded this Briefing to add video reporters from around the country to participate in the Press Briefing - they no longer give the first question to the AP (which angers them a LOT), but spread it around the room.
2). A gaggle is a briefing with one of the pools and NOT held in the WH Briefing Room.
3). The White House Press Pool has 21 reporters (rotating basis) and a smaller "pool" that travels with the President.
4). On the Record - this basically means "named source" and NOT "anonymous official".
5). Off the Record - this is "un-named" official and basically SPIN - how the WH wants the "story" told.
6). Background Briefing - Information on a specific subject, sometimes held with a 'gaggle' in person OR often done with a call in Phone Conference - often with un-names "officials" that are referred to as "Official #1, Official #2, Official #3.

We KNOW that Team Obama held these Off the Record, Background Gaggles frequently - and we KNOW that some of the same reporters that are NOW saying "Gasp, Choke, Hiltler" participated in the Secret Meetings with Chosen reporters that now claim NEVER has such a thing happened.

White House background briefings: Good journalism or anonymous government spin? |Washington Post - 11/7/14
Every so often, a group of handpicked journalists gets the equivalent of a tap on the shoulder from a White House functionary. They’re invited to a background briefing, one of Washington’s most common, and little examined, rituals for the transmission of official spin, talking points and, occasionally, actual news.

For an hour or more, the assembled reporters will listen to and question White House advisers and aides — “senior administration officials” in the inevitable stories that follow — on topics of the officials’ choosing.

All of it will be hush-hush. No TV cameras will roll. No names will be revealed. There will be no direct quotes (hence, the ubiquitous “senior administration officials”) and sometimes no quotes at all. Readers and viewers will never learn exactly who said what. Take our word, or theirs, for it.

“The briefings vary widely in usefulness,” said Mark Landler, who covers the White House for the New York Times. “Sometimes, I learn a lot. Other times, there’s a lot of spin or repetition of positions that are well known.”

Landler and the Times are part of the golden circle of reporters and news outlets that are regularly sought by White House operatives for background briefings, separate from the rest of the press corps.


That's the SAME Mark Landler and the SAME New York Times that are now "screaming BANNED Press & "never before".

[color]This has led to a press room divided between background-briefing haves and have-nots. The news organizations typically invited to the briefings are those whose reporters occupy the first three rows of the seven-row press briefing room: the TV networks, major newspapers such as the Times, The Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal, and wire services such as the Associated Press and Reuters. Sometimes, even third-row occupants — from Politico, the Los Angeles Times and McClatchy newspapers, among others — don’t make the cut, leading to complaints from excluded reporters.[/color]

So - Now we come to Sean Spicer’s "Gaggle" in his office this week. It was ON THE RECORD and it was recorded with the Recording available to ALL PRESS. It included the White House Pool and was expanded to others who could apply to attend - they then chose others as space and inclination allowed. This was very different from the way TeamObama did their "background" meetings and ALL the reporters are very aware of that. They are once again - telling LIES to the public.

White House hand-picks select media outlets for briefing |The Hill - 2/24/17

Spicer decided to hold an off-camera “gaggle” with reporters inside his West Wing office instead of the traditional on-camera briefing in the James S. Brady Press Briefing Room.
Reporters were encouraged to request access to the gaggle with a junior press aide. Some reporters received confirmation they were invited and others didn't.

Bloomberg reporter Jennifer Jacobs noted the wire shared its audio with other reporters who were barred from attention.

“Bloomberg was included because we're in regular ‘pool.’ AP invited too, but declined due to others' exclusion. Bloomberg shared its audio,” she tweeted.


CNN framed a story of White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus asking the FBI to rebuke an earlier story -based on anonymous leaks- of Trump campaign contacts with Russia. According to the agenda, CNN wanted to make it look like the administration was pressuring the FBI to provide the White House political cover.

Am I the only one that watches the regular White House Briefings? They are like Food Fights with CNN & the some of the others not even interested in "news" - they prefer to make up stuff, like their latest "fairytale" about the White House and the FBI - Spicer and Priebus both said on air that the FBI told Priebus the New York Times article was a LIE, Priebus asked McCabe (#2 Asst Director) for permission to quote him and was told they can't go on the record BUT that Preibus had permission to refute the story based on "highest level FBI". He did that, but it wasn't the narrative that the NYTimes and CNN wanted so they "changed" the narrative. TrumpWhite house held an ON THE RECORD 'background' gaggle and excluded the press that Manipulates Information - while including the WH Press Pool and some others.

Why include Press that has already proven themselves to be spreading Fake News?

Background Briefing on FBI report
Spicer has his own version of events including the current FBI investigation not to mention the Flynn affair.

 
Old 02-25-2017, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Did anyone notice that trump asked the DIA and FBI to develope a report on the supposed immediate threat that required a ban. A little backwards since he already stated there was an immediate threat, where exactly did he get his information?
 
Old 02-25-2017, 12:28 PM
 
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You immediately subscribed to the new york times because of my post? lol. Good for you but its a little late, the newspaper business is a shell of its former self.

The New York times is a train wreck, ad revenue is way down, circulation is down, terrible stock price and declining revenues.

Newspapers still are slaves to to 20th-century industrial processes such as massive printing presses, tons of paper, and fleets of delivery trucks, and efforts to develop new sources of digital revenue havent panned out

Craigslist offers free ads and that destroys most the ad revenue for newspapers.

Print advertising still pays the bills and its a train wreck.

Ny times,LA times and tribune media are in terrible decline, The Washington post, the Boston globe.It is a terrible decline of print media, even in television something like fox continues to crush cnn and msnbc and web sites from drudge , breibart etc are showing massive traffic . I definitely think the president should give more attention to new media than old media and its rapidly diminishing influence
Part of what you say is true...
Hard print newspapers are suffering...
We get a paper copy of our local newspaper simply because it refuses to offer a digital only subscription--because of ad money I am sure...but we usually read the digital we get included...and we are out of state 6 mo a year and need the digital more than the paper...

But I think traditional news papers are learning more about what they need to stay alive and subscribers/readers are facing what they perceive as a crisis of information and are willing to pay...
Just as investors pay hearty sums to have access from private investor newsletters, digital media might go,that route...
So far much of the breaking revelations about Trump have come from traditional news sources...not the network,providers...don't know,if that is because of relationships people,in Washington and politics have w/print reporters or because most of the tv people seem chosen for looks over brains and likely aren't that great at research and digging for info...

I thought it was a very good move for Spicer to open up the press briefings to take questions from smaller, independent, maybe very local news reporters...using Skype and other methods...
many smaller papers or news sources don't have their reporters in Washington but still have local questions specific to their readers which get handled in Washington...
So,that seemed very pro-press and very much part of free access to the WH for independent, smaller agencies.

Unfortunately one of the first of those reporters was from a small, independent Jewish news mag who asked Trump about his reluctance to address hate crimes against Jews...
Trump listened to the compliment the guy started off with and then totally freaked once the hard question began. He told the guy to "shut up" that he knew he was being accused of being anti-Semitic and went into his "I love Jews more than anybody" speech...right after the reporter acknowledged his love for his Jewish grandchildren...
Trump (as Maverick told Goose) "screwed the pooch" on that one...

This decision was set up,to create this reaction...
Bannon had created the "deconstruction" argument the day before at the conservative forum and Trump as well with his diatribe against the media, fake news, and the press as the enemy of the people...

When you have the WH coming out for months with that verbage, and Spicer doing sometching as clumsy and secretive as what he did with this "gaggle" or whatever they are trying to call it...
You have a situation already at flash point and Spicer's actions and lack of open explanation set it off...
And don't Forget or overlook Steve Bannon's sense of strategy...
This could very well have been planned so,that when the Times and other organizations complained they are made too,look,foolish...

And if there was NOT a lot of outcry then Bannon gets away with further eroding the power of the opposition.
Cause Bannon still steers Breitbart...that IS his mouthpiece as and such it is really an arm of the WH press office...
 
Old 02-25-2017, 12:35 PM
 
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Did anyone notice that trump asked the DIA and FBI to develope a report on the supposed immediate threat that required a ban. A little backwards since he already stated there was an immediate threat, where exactly did he get his information?
He made it up or Flynn told him wo any evidence...

The report that a Trump,commissioned came back,saying there WAS NO THREAT from those countries...
A simple three page report...
Trump tried to,bury it...
He wanted it rewritten to,show that there WAS a danger...
That is why they keep,delaying the new EO to restrict travel and immigration from those 7 areas...
So,they get the IC report claiming there is danger and they can use that to make the Muslim ban into a "security" issue where the President has much stronger Constitutional grounds for doing what he wants to do.

He is trying to force the IC to give him Intel that proves what he wants to prove...like Cheney and Wolfowitz and Rumsfield did about Iraq to justify the Iraq War...
The IC is trying to bring the truth vs reinforce what Trump and his "brain trust" have as an agenda...
That is why Trump has criticized and defamed the intelligence agencies...
 
Old 02-25-2017, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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The women's march had around 500,000 in DC alone and there was no violence. And there was no violence in other states either. And Trump is not peacefully shutting down reporters. He is saying they are the enemy. At cpac today his supporters still ranted lock her up. I'm sorry but as our president he should put a stop to this rant to unite our country. But he doesn't want to unite our country. He think he thrives on this dissent.

This is what the Berkeley riots looked like:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwzffeICkP8

The sort of riots in Berkeley occur at many of these leftist "protests." The fact that not every single one of these protests has violence doesn't mean that most of these leftist protests are peaceful. Most of them are anything but peaceful. Trump only used words. The leftist protestors severely beat people in the streets, they set fires, destroy property, assault people with bricks and rocks, pepper spray people, drag people from their cars and beat them when they beg for mercy, and they set a woman on fire at the women's march. The people all of these supposedly peaceful leftists are violently attacking are unarmed and not doing anything to the rioting leftists. It's disingenuous and an outright lie to say leftists are the peaceful ones and Trump is being authoritarian and divisive.
 
Old 02-25-2017, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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This is what the Berkeley riots looked like:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwzffeICkP8

The sort of riots in Berkeley occur at many of these leftist "protests." The fact that not every single one of these protests has violence doesn't mean that most of these leftist protests are peaceful. Most of them are anything but peaceful. Trump only used words. The leftist protestors severely beat people in the streets, they set fires, destroy property, assault people with bricks and rocks, pepper spray people, drag people from their cars and beat them when they beg for mercy, and they set a woman on fire at the women's march. The people all of these supposedly peaceful leftists are violently attacking are unarmed and not doing anything to the rioting leftists. It's disingenuous and an outright lie to say leftists are the peaceful ones and Trump is being authoritarian and divisive.
What would you be left with if not for the Berkeley protests, were there any others around the country.
 
Old 02-25-2017, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by loves2read View Post
He made it up or Flynn told him wo any evidence...

The report that a Trump,commissioned came back,saying there WAS NO THREAT from those countries...
A simple three page report...
Trump tried to,bury it...
He wanted it rewritten to,show that there WAS a danger...
That is why they keep,delaying the new EO to restrict travel and immigration from those 7 areas...
So,they get the IC report claiming there is danger and they can use that to make the Muslim ban into a "security" issue where the President has much stronger Constitutional grounds for doing what he wants to do.

He is trying to force the IC to give him Intel that proves what he wants to prove...like Cheney and Wolfowitz and Rumsfield did about Iraq to justify the Iraq War...
The IC is trying to bring the truth vs reinforce what Trump and his "brain trust" have as an agenda...
That is why Trump has criticized and defamed the intelligence agencies...
That was pretty glaring but I have not seen his administration address the issue as to the immediate threat.
 
Old 02-25-2017, 02:17 PM
 
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I do believe you are repeating the liberal line(s). There was no pressure. That's a word the media chose to use.

Maybe a bit of 'tough love' will teach the liberal, spinning, lying press to shape up. They are negligent in their responsibility to the public, with their OCD actively preoccupied with showing Conservatives and specifically their hated target, Trump, in a bad light.

They owe us, the people, straightforward reporting, not propaganda that pushes their ideology. Truth would be a refreshing change.
Tough love would be passing a law that requires all news media outlets to devote X amount of time/column inches to entirely non-editorial news. It's basically a list of what happened and absolutely nothing else attached. That's tough love as it makes a legal standard for the press. Barring the press from entrance to the white house is not tough love. It's controlling the narrative. It's not the same thing and shame on you for dismissing it as such.
 
Old 02-25-2017, 05:34 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Tough love would be passing a law that requires all news media outlets to devote X amount of time/column inches to entirely non-editorial news. It's basically a list of what happened and absolutely nothing else attached. That's tough love as it makes a legal standard for the press. Barring the press from entrance to the white house is not tough love. It's controlling the narrative. It's not the same thing and shame on you for dismissing it as such.
It's barring those who don't tell what happened. Period. The 5 Ws. No spinning, no editorializing.
Limiting access to certain members of the press can be very motivating for them to straighten up and be more truthful.
 
Old 02-25-2017, 05:50 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Terrifying? I don't feel terrified. Maybe I have a different understanding of terror. Terrifying to me is my child in harms way. My wife in harms way. Terrifying to me is the global threats of dirty bombs from rogue states. That is a very real threat. Technology has given them the power to do mass killings. That is terrifying. Trump arguing with the press? That is just embarrassing. Almost as embarrassing as what we now consider journalism.
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