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Old 03-01-2017, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I can't even fathom the idea of someone loving to go into another country and start killing people that have done absolutely nothing to us. Does that really make sense to you?

That borders on psychotic.
That borders on psychotic?

I don't see it this way. If they died on battlefield, they died for their country. This is how many people cope with loss.

Yes, makes perfect sense to me. You don't have to agree with the war, but you cannot deny the soldiers died for their country.

I am not going to argue with you anymore because you start really pissing me off.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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That borders on psychotic?

I don't see it this way. If they died on battlefield, they died for their country. This is how many people cope with loss.

Yes, makes perfect sense to me. You don't have to agree with the war, but you cannot deny the soldiers died for their country.

I am not going to argue with you anymore because you start really pissing me off.
They didn't die for me. We need to be pissed off. A young man lost his life and for what?

I ask this over and over. For what? So Wall Street can continue to record, record profits?
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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They didn't die for me. We need to be pissed off. A young man lost his life and for what?

I ask this over and over. For what?
I didn't say they died for YOU, I said, they believed they died for their country. This is how they COPE with LOSS.

You don't need to ask over and over, I have already said, many wars are not worth fighting. I think at this point, you just want to argue for the sake of arguing, and i notice you do this often.

The bottom line is that it is a delicate situation when you have to deal with a very angry grieving father. He is entitled to his opinion, he is certainly entitled to the way he chooses to grieve. In time, I HOPE he will accept the son's death. His life will never be the same. I hope he won't stay in the "blame" stage of the grief for long. It will only hurts him and I don't want him to be hurt.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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About as classy as publishing what a grieving father says right after the death of his son and using it as political points.

Disgusting is what it is. The man is going to regret everything he said. His son would not have wanted him to speak out against the President.
Asking for an investigation into his sons death is disgusting , particularly after Trump claimed it was a huge success and ignoring the fathers request for privacy.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:16 AM
 
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I didn't say they died for YOU, I said, they believed they died for their country. This is how they COPE with LOSS.
They need to face the facts. They didn't.

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You don't need to ask over and over, I have already said, many wars are not worth fighting. I think at this point, you just want to argue for the sake of arguing, and i notice you do this often.
I'm losing the argument. That makes no sense to me. I want to see people pissed off.

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The bottom line is that it is a delicate situation when you have to deal with a very angry grieving father. He is entitled to his opinion, he is certainly entitled to the way he chooses to grieve. In time, I HOPE he will accept the son's death. His life will never be the same. I hope he won't stay in the "blame" stage of the grief for long. It will only hurts him and I don't want him to be hurt.
I hope he never accepts it. Us accepting it is why it is still happening. It's why our leaders are cowardly killing tens of thousands of innocent people with drones from the air. For what? For what exactly.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I hope he never accepts it. Us accepting it is why it is still happening. It's why our leaders are cowardly killing tens of thousands of innocent people with drones from the air. For what? For what exactly.
You hope he never accepts it?

You mean you want this dad to be forever in the blaming stage of the grief? This kind of belief is a little bit mean spirited in my opinion.

ACCEPTING it doesn't mean that he will agree with the decision, accepting it simply means coming to term with the death. He can choose to be an anti war activist for the rest of his life.

Many grieving parents volunteer at VA hospital; many become anti war activists; many get involved with politics. Many parents believe their sons and daughters died for their countries and they raised heroes. That is acceptance.

A lady volunteered in the VA hospital lost a husband in Vietnam, lost a son in Iraq. She loved all military service members, doesn't mean she agrees with the war. She just chooses to lead a productive life. I guarantee you she is happier than this dad in op.

I hope this dad will finally reach the acceptance stage of the grief. Maybe it will take a life time, but staying in blaming mode is not going to help him although it is a normal reaction following an unexpected and tragic death.

The five stages, denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance are a part of the framework that makes up our learning to live with the one we lost.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:37 AM
 
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You hope he never accepts it?

You mean you want this dad to be forever in the blaming stage of the grief? This kind of belief is a little bit mean spirited in my opinion.
I imagine it is. I am mad that we continue to kill and cause the death of tens of thousands of innocent people.

For what? Someone answer for us "for what"?

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ACCEPTING it doesn't mean the he will agree with the decision, accepting it simply means coming to term with the death. He can choose to be an anti war activist for the rest of his life.

Many grieving parents volunteer at VA hospital; many become anti war activists; many get involved with politics. Many parents believe their sons and daughters died for their countries and they raised heroes. That is acceptance.
We should never accept it.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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We should never accept it.
I have already explained what "acceptance" means.

This topic is about the dad. Imagine you being the grief counselor, I hope you listen more, talk less. i know I would.

As civilians, yes, I hope we will never accept it. But I do hope the dad comes to terms with death of his loved one, the earlier he reaches the acceptance stage of the grief, the better.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I couldn't help but notice how disgusted the generals in the audience looked while Trump squeezed political juice out of the fallen SEAL.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:59 AM
 
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I couldn't help but notice how disgusted the generals in the audience looked while Trump squeezed political juice out of the fallen SEAL.
Screw the generals. They can rot in hell also.
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