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Old 02-28-2017, 10:30 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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You need to look at percentage of our GDP. Our GDP is a COMBINED of several countries of whom we are allies.


GDP has no bearing on how much we should be spending.
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Old 02-28-2017, 10:32 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Totally irrelevant.


Completely relevant - the argument is that our military needs to be strong enough to defend against foreign powers. If we're spending 200% more than the next closest country already, and we're not "strong enough" to defeat their military, more money isn't going to fix the problem.
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Old 02-28-2017, 11:30 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Completely relevant - the argument is that our military needs to be strong enough to defend against foreign powers. If we're spending 200% more than the next closest country already, and we're not "strong enough" to defeat their military, more money isn't going to fix the problem.
Much of the defense budget is wasted on contracts to reward big corporations and on PMC contractors (who are significantly more expensive than military personnel). The only thing I would change is that we currently have two armies (one of which also has it's own air force). The USMC needs to be downsized and restricted to performing it's traditional missions: defense of naval bases, ship detachments, embassy security/special missions (ie: Camp David), and amphibious assaults. USMC Aviation needs to be absorbed by the US Navy. And the majority of their support functions can be provided by the Army, Air Force, and the Navy. Why do the Marines have engineers when Navy Seebees can do the same thing?

I would also reduce the number of aircraft carriers. One missile can sink or severely disable them.
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Old 02-28-2017, 11:47 AM
 
Location: London
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The problem with the EPA its become a huge power hungry beaucracy thats doing more harm than good.
Agreed, but it should be streamlined, not completely eliminated.
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Old 02-28-2017, 11:54 AM
 
Location: London
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Here's 79 Welfare Programs that cost $1.3+TRILLION. Choose which ones you want cut:

Healthcare:
Family Planning
Consolidated Health Centers
Transitional Cash and Medical Services for Refugees
State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
Voluntary Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit—Low-Income Subsidy
Medicaid
Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program
Breast/Cervical Cancer Early Detection
Maternal and Child Health Block Grant

Income Redistribution Programs:
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) (cash aid)
Supplemental Security Income
Additional Child Tax Credit
Earned Income Tax Credit (refundable component)

"Nutrition" Programs:
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)

School Breakfast Program (free/reduced price components)
National School Lunch Program (free/reduced price components)
Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC)
Child and Adult Care Food Program (lower income components)
Summer Food Service Program
Commodity Supplemental
Food Program Nutrition Assistance for Puerto Rico
The Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP)
Nutrition Program for the Elderly

"Education" Programs:
Adult Basic Education Grants to States
Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant
Education for the Disadvantaged—Grants to Local Educational Agencies (Title I-A)
Title I Migrant Education Program
Higher Education—Institutional Aid and Developing Institutions
Federal Work-Study
Federal TRIO Programs
Federal Pell Grants
Education for Homeless Children and Youth
21st Century Community Learning Centers
Gaining Early Awareness and Readiness for Undergraduate Programs (GEAR-UP)
Reading First and Early Reading First
Rural Education Achievement Program
Mathematics and Science Partnerships
Child Care and Development Fund
Head Start HHS
Developmental Disabilities Support and Advocacy Grants
Improving Teacher Quality State Grants
Academic Competitiveness and Smart Grant Program

"Housing" programs:
Single-Family Rural Housing Loans
Rural Rental Assistance Program
Supportive Housing for the Elderly
Supportive Housing for Persons with Disabilities
Section 8 Project-Based Rental Assistance
Community Development Block Grants
Homeless Assistance Grants
Home Investment Partnerships Program (HOME)
Housing Opportunities for Persons with AIDS (HOPWA)
Public Housing
Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers
Neighborhood Stabilization Program-1
Grants to States for Low-Income Housing in Lieu of Low-Income Housing Credit Allocations
Tax Credit Assistance Program
Emergency Food and Shelter Program

Housing Related Programs:
Water and Waste Disposal for Rural Communities
Public Works and Economic Development
Weatherization Assistance Program
Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP)

Social Welfare Programs:
Older Americans Act Grants for Supportive Services and SeniorCenters
Older Americans Act Family Caregiver Program
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) (social services)
Child Support Enforcement
Community Services Block Grant
Foster Care
Adoption Assistance
Social Services Block Grant
Chafee Foster Care Independence Program
Legal Services Corporation
Community Service Employment for Older Americans
Social Services and Targeted Assistance for Refugees
Foster Grandparents

"Job Training" Programs:
Job Corps
Workforce Investment Act (WIA) Adult Activities
Workforce Investment Act (WIA) Youth Activities
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) (employment and training)
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) (employment and training component)





But the US has no moral or legal authority to use nuclear weapons, so it's a moot point.
I'd start with eliminating the child tax credits.
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Old 02-28-2017, 01:25 PM
 
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why only 54B?? why not 540B? if you're going to bankrupt a country do it all the way.
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:05 PM
 
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Government tends to grow in response to large economic crises, like the 2008 economic crisis. However, that share of the government is slowly decreasing as things have improved incrementally.
"that share of the government is slowly decreasing as things have improved incrementally"

Interesting.

Show the budget for each fed agencies and what it was for say the that 8 years before.
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:18 PM
 
Location: USA
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why only 54B?? why not 540B? if you're going to bankrupt a country do it all the way.
We are 20 Trillion in dept, half under Obama and half under Bush, 54b is a drop in the bucket.
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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I agree, millions of people didnt attend trump rallies and vote for him so we could get into more globalist wars protecting countries overseas. We voted for trump for change, protection of our borders, a more america first foreign policy, bringing good paying jobs back ,nationalism, rebuilding our infrastructure, against globalism and putting america first.
So you guys fell for it hook, line, and sinker? If only I had told you ahead of time.
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Completely relevant - the argument is that our military needs to be strong enough to defend against foreign powers. If we're spending 200% more than the next closest country already, and we're not "strong enough" to defeat their military, more money isn't going to fix the problem.
Self defense isn't predicated on money comparisons. We either need the spending or we don't. Given our current mission goals and obligations we need the spending.

If you don't like it then call the Pentagon and the White House and explain to them how we need to change our mission requirements. I'm sure they'll be all ears...
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